Purchased a “351w” but got home and it’s a Cleveland. And not a roller like they said

[broncosam]

That is not a 351 Cleveland or 351/400M engine. I'll bet money on it. The give-away that it's a 351 Windsor and not a 351 Cleveland type engine is in the thermostat housing. If the thermostat mounts in the intake manifold ,it's a Windsor family engine, if it mounts directly to the top front of the engine block it's a Cleveland family engine. Also the Cleveland family engines take 8 bolts for the valve covers.

 

[Tiko433]

My vote is in for a 5.8 EFI 351 W also . With Truck / Big Bronco intake. Has anyone used one of those intakes for the swap? I know they are considerably taller then a Explorer / Mustang intake. Just wondering if a 3in body and high rise hood would clear one? What are the performance differences ?

 

[kylakekevin]

It would be bad a$$ if it was a Cleveland!!

 

[Broncobowsher]

My vote is in for a 5.8 EFI 351 W also . With Truck / Big Bronco intake. Has anyone used one of those intakes for the swap? I know they are considerably taller then a Explorer / Mustang intake. Just wondering if a 3in body and high rise hood would clear one? What are the performance differences ?

Been tried, answer is still NO. I have seen one, it needed just the right hood, and the 3" body lift needed an inch of shims added, and it still rubbed the hood.

And that 351W is from an Econoline, not a pickup.

 

[Tiko433]

Thanks. Broncobowsher .... I figure since I don’t see any.

 

[bmc69]

LOL..I took one quick glance at pics in first post and was "wtf?..of course its a Windsor"...

But then I've built more of both than I could count.

 

[MikeKC130J]

Thanks for all the info, you Lear something new every day, I haven’t seen a Cleveland motor so I would have known the difference, also haven’t had an EFi so I had not a clue what made this a Windsor and not a Cleveland. Now I have seen the difference this motor only has 67k on it. Should I stay with the stock heads that came with it? I plan on going with the pro flo-4

 

[DirtDonk]

If you keep it you can still install a roller cam in it. The conversion parts are inexpensive, but a roller cam and lifters are probably double to triple the cost of a flat-tappet counterpart.
So you still have choices, but as you found, not really a choice to run the EFI setup unless you don't mind a LOT of work and modifications to make it fit.
And it's speed-density anyway if I'm not mistaken, and not a MAF engine so you have to be more cautious about your planned performance modifications I think.

Still a decent engine if you got a good price on it. But if you paid for a roller block, I'd still try to get one from them. The others would know, but I think everybody says the later roller blocks are better in other ways as well.

Good luck.

Oh, and for those that were talking about the other non-Cleveland possibilities, some identifications were backwards. The 351M is the "M" in the 335 engine family. The 400 is just a 400. No such thing as a 400M.
Been awhile since we talked about them so I wanted to throw that in there.

Paul

 

[Broncobowsher]

For that nice of an intake it would be a shame to choke it with stock heads.

 

[bmc69]

Oh, and for those that were talking about the other non-Cleveland possibilities, some identifications were backwards. The 351M is the "M" in the 335 engine family. The 400 is just a 400. No such thing as a 400M.

That ^. ;D

 

[jckkys]

Beam me up! I'm sorry if Mike never saw a Cleveland, but give me a break. Just search Google, Bing etc. for Ford Cleveland engine images. The differences are obvious. The casting number pictured in his 1st post clearly states the block is E9 or 1989. Clevelands were only produced through 1974. The 351M had a 1.091" taller deck height than Clevelands, but otherwise of resembles a Cleveland. I could see misidentifying one of them, but to think a Windsor is a Cleveland, even after pulling the heads stretches credibility. It's embarrassing this thread went more than 1 post in response to the OP. That one post should have illustrated the absurdity.

 

[DirtDonk]

But by coming here where he can hang out with old friends instead of the google-verse, he can get the same info in slightly more time, but with a friendly conversation and maybe even more detail added.

Paul

 

[rjrobin2002]

Too late now, but if you would of got a mid 90s van or truck 351 it would of been a roller 351.

 

[MikeKC130J]

I don’t plan on running the efi that came with the motor. I was going to go with the pro flo-4 efi. Can I run that with the stock cam and flatappet cam? The motor has low miles and the pistons and cylinder walls are in great shape.
They said roller motor/ but it’s in really nice shape. After I pulled all the apricot pits out of the water jackets.

 

[MikeKC130J]

Beam me up! I'm sorry if Mike never saw a Cleveland, but give me a break. Just search Google, Bing etc. for Ford Cleveland engine images. The differences are obvious. The casting number pictured in his 1st post clearly states the block is E9 or 1989. Clevelands were only produced through 1974. The 351M had a 1.091" taller deck height than Clevelands, but otherwise of resembles a Cleveland. I could see misidentifying one of them, but to think a Windsor is a Cleveland, even after pulling the heads stretches credibility. It's embarrassing this thread went more than 1 post in response to the OP. That one post should have illustrated the absurdity.

Whelp, you are an asshole! But I’m sure you already knew that.
I’m glad you are offended by me asking questions, I hope you have lost sleep over it. I’m no professional ford guru and NOT going to apologize for it.
No big deal I’ve dealt with pricks like you for a long time. Ya know the Napoleon complex.
Be sure continue to follow my post for the build up of the obvious 351W.

 

[DirtDonk]

I was going to go with the pro flo-4 efi. Can I run that with the stock cam and flat tappet cam?

I would say yes for sure. It's probably got a wide lobe center angle (or whatever that spec is called?) of near 114° to be factory-EFI friendly.
But I hate to say it since it's probably in good shape, but seems to me that now would be a great time to give the cam a tiny bit of an upgrade.
Does not have to be radical, and you certainly don't want a generic "RV" cam. But mild efi-friendly street cam would really wake it up and you'd feel like you got more bang for your 351 buck I think.

After I pulled all the apricot pits out of the water jackets.

Ahh, roughage and fiber for proper cooling system digestion!;D

Paul

 

[tirewater]

Whelp, you are an asshole! But I’m sure you already knew that.
I’m glad you are offended by me asking questions, I hope you have lost sleep over it. I’m no professional ford guru and NOT going to apologize for it.
No big deal I’ve dealt with pricks like you for a long time. Ya know the Napoleon complex.
Be sure continue to follow my post for the build up of the obvious 351W.

I don't think jckyss meant to insult you, the OP. Only that it was odd that there were a number of posts second guessing whether the engine was a windsor or cleveland following yours. There is a momentary thought of "why are people debating this when it's obviously not a cleveland engine"

The good new is, the community has a lot of people eager to help out. This helps the social aspect.

 

[1strodeo]

I don’t plan on running the efi that came with the motor. I was going to go with the pro flo-4 efi. .

I am not sure how it compares in height to the stock EFI, but keep in mind the ProFlo 4 setup is 8.5" tall

"35950 manifold height: 6.25". Throttle body height: 2.25"

-jeff

 

[Broncobowsher]

And you still need an air cleaner on top of that.

 

[MikeKC130J]

I would say yes for sure. It's probably got a wide lobe center angle (or whatever that spec is called?) of near 114° to be factory-EFI friendly
But I hate to say it since it's probably in good shape, but seems to me that now would be a great time to give the cam a tiny bit of an upgrade.
Does not have to be radical, and you certainly don't want a generic "RV" cam. But mild efi-friendly street cam would really wake it up and you'd feel like you got more bang for your 351 buck I think.
Paul

Do you have a recommendation for heads and cam up grade? I wouldn’t know what lobe separation or degree can to look for. I’m more of a remove and replace components type of guy. I’ve never been taught about that kind of stuff.
Thanks for the help.