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Question regarding 4.56 gears

bearskinner

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With 4:56 gears, 35's ( really are 35") and a NV3550 5 speed, I almost wish I went a little deeper into the gears. I can cruise 75 at only 2500 on the tach. If I'm driving 65 or so I need to use 4th to keep it in the power. Do some figuring to see where you want to be at s given RPZm and speed
 

Seventee

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As far as brand, I picked up a new set of Yukon D44 gears second hand that had never been installed, so the price was right. I ordered the Summit branded gears for the 9" for a very good price, which ended up being either Motive or US Gear, I can't remember which. I have had no problems with either set.

I spend 90% off highway, so I like my 4.56 with NP435 and 35s. I can still do 60-65mph on short highway trips. If I had an overdrive I think it would be a great combo. Off-road, I admit I've questioned whether I should've gone 4.88, but at this point I am looking at a 400 swap so that should backfill the torque I want.
 

DirtDonk

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Yeah, me too. Wish I could swap someone 4.11s for my 4.56s with the type of wheeling I plan on doing now. ;D

It's not that I'm unhappy with them, when I installed them I had a 289, a toploader with a tall first gear and 35s, it would wind out at fwy speeds. Now I'm building a 393 in front of a ZF5 and don't feel like I'll use the deeper gears as much. Just a different mindset is all.

Whatever you do, don't change the gears yet!
Just going from the top-loader's 1:1 top gear ratio to the ZF's overdrive is like doing the same thing. Or more.
For wheeling, you will already have a MUCH better first gear ratio (what, like from 2.25:1 now, down to something like a 5.5:1 or something?) and for freeway you'll have that overdrive dropping your rpm several hundred right off the bat.
So you actually ARE swapping your rear end ratio effectively

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the results. And possibly uninspired with the 4.11's in overdrive unless you have a particularly torquey engine?

Paul
 

DirtDonk

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I went from 3:50s to 4:56 with the stock C4 and 35s. Great setup for offroad and really I am not unhappy with them except when I an taking a long drive on the road. I feel like I need a 4th gear. I drove my Bronco to Super Celebration which is close to a 3 hour drive. I just kept it under 50MPH because of the RPMs and of course I was cussed for holding up traffic. I can run 70 but it is really turning some rpms... I drove it up to Duffs a while back and took the interstate home... felt like I was red lining it :)

Saturday I took a drive to Chattanooga so I just took all the back roads so I could keep it under 45 most of the time.

Still don't like that sound of the revving engine, eh Greg?
At least it seems like we've discussed it before, but I might be remembering someone else talking about it. Either way though, you're not in any danger of messing up the engine with freeway speeds and your setup. You can go much faster than 50 without fear of harm. That's roughly 2300-2500 rpm, which is nothing for these things.

Yes, you do need that 4th gear. That would be a sweet setup, but you're not currently killing anything but your ears and nerves. With your current setup, if your tires are smallish at about 33.5 or so, you're probably pushing about 3200 rpm at 65 mph.
That's based on a "rolling diameter" of 33.5" and a couple of hundred extra rpm for the C4 slippage.
These engines will run 3500 all day long and not complain with either heat, oil use, or stress. Other than on the fuel economy, and our psyche of course.
So unless yours is old and worn out, uses oil already, is not quite tuned perfectly (running lean or something that it might not like) you should be in good shape if you need to pump up the speed a bit to get somewhere.

I'm not saying you wouldn't benefit from the 4.11's or an overdrive of course. Just that you don't need to worry about your engine turning 3000 rpm.
Under some circumstances you might see the coolant temp go up 10-20° at 70mph or higher extended runs, but even that's not a bad thing unless you're already running at a borderline high temp. These engines actually like 200-210 degrees sometimes.

When I first got mine, I hated going over 55 in it. I did, because I had a tach and knew I was not hurting anything. But boy, did it sound like it was tached out!
Just changing my exhaust system changed my whole perception of over-revving the engine though. It went away 100% after getting rid of the old worn out setup for a nice average set of generic turbo mufflers.
In my case, with 32's, 4.11's and the stock manual trans, I was only at 2900 rpm @ 65 mph, but my ears were telling me it was screaming. So my tendency was to keep it at 55 mph, which was about 2400-2500 rpm. Sounded like about the max until I changed the mufflers.
After the exhaust, it sounded perfectly happy until about 3500.
Now, the benefit of the previous attitude was 17 mpg! Unfortunately I don't always have the time to spend, so getting 13-15 was "acceptable" at the time.

Just saying not to stress too much. It'll get you there and back at speed.
I wonder what the stock exhaust sounded like on a Six, with the factory 4.56 option and 28" tall tires! At 60 you'd be spinning that thing at 3400. Probably about as fast as that little engine would be able to push these things through the air.

Paul
 

gotdads68

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Whatever you do, don't change the gears yet!
Just going from the top-loader's 1:1 top gear ratio to the ZF's overdrive is like doing the same thing. Or more.
For wheeling, you will already have a MUCH better first gear ratio (what, like from 2.25:1 now, down to something like a 5.5:1 or something?) and for freeway you'll have that overdrive dropping your rpm several hundred right off the bat.
So you actually ARE swapping your rear end ratio effectively

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the results. And possibly uninspired with the 4.11's in overdrive unless you have a particularly torquey engine?

Paul
Yeah, for sure. They were the last on my list, if at all. It's been apart so long that when I do get to drive it again it's going to feel like starting over anyway. ;D
 

Pa PITT

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...I had 4:56 once & I hated them.. I didn't even feel I could go around a corner with out needing to shift in the middle of the corner.
.. Now for those times when your on Rocks the 4:46 is fine.
... BUT THEN LIKE SOMEONE SAID.. When I WANT TO GO TO TOWN it's like I need to drive 5 miles into town at 45 mph. &Maybe even 40 mph.
 

gnpenning

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I have more questions than answers.
Are you running a stock 3spd? I am doing gears soon. I am 33's and C4. I am considering splitting it in the middle. Most suggest to me to go 4.10. And everyone says I'll hate 4.56, so considering 4.30. I want to do this once, and do it right, so I am thinking to go deep, and if too deep, I'll buy 35's.

Brent

After over thinking it I went with 4.30 in my 74 with a C4 and 32". Been very happy with it for years. I picked up a 4R70W and thinking I may have to go deeper do to wanting taller tires. Of course if I stay with the C4 I can save some money.

I like the mileage of lower RPMs and don't mind driving slower to get it. When I'm in a hurry I don't care about mileage.
 

LOVNBRONCOS

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Finally got the break in done on the new 4.56 gears and jumped on the highway for 60 miles to get to some 4 wheeling, cruised at 60 mph no problem the power going up the mountains was so nice compared to the stock 3.50's, a couple of places that I would normally drop to 45 I just held 60 and cruised right up. 4 wheeling was even better, the power and tork was great. I still need to check my gas mileage but it seemed like I even got better or at least the same mileage. I am a happy camper, Oh and I love the new TrueTrac locker also.
 

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You did correct the speedometer, right? If not you were not doing 60 when you thought you were and you didn't go as far as the odometer showed.
 

doghows72

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Nice chart, I just used it and it made me change my mind from 4:56 to 4:88!
 
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