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I know this has been discussed in the past but in the last few years there has been some gear trends that I find useful and in some cases safer for recovery. I have been in the process of updating my recovery gear, which isn’t easy, I’ve been collecting stuff for several decades. So I’ll list the items that have changed over the years, the ones I’m working on and the reasons why. I’d love to hear some of y’all’s input and hopefully evolve into recovery techniques, which I hope it does, can’t count the times I’ve seen things happen and no one have the first clue as to what to do. Let’s start with gear.

Most can agree a winch is almost a must have. In my opinion it must have synthetic rope and not wire cable. Cable is heavy, so it is harder on you and the vehicle carrying it. Cable is also less safe, if it fails, the release of energy is violent, flying objects can maim and kill. Rope is lighter, can be handled without gloves, recommended but not required and doesn’t store near the energy of steel cable.

Winch hooks, putting it in its own category, I’ve stopped using a hook, the thimble in the end of the rope is more than sufficient. A hook is really good for nothing other than just being a bludgeoning device for the person handling the rope to beat themselves with. I’ve been bruised and bloodied by them more times than I can count. The thimble will protect the rope and give a place to insert a steel d ring shackle or a soft shackle.

Soft shackles, I’ll post pics of them. Many do not know what they are, how they work or even how to use them. I have all but replaced all of my steel d ring shackles with these. They are lighter and safer. Can be used to reach around most anything to create a recovery point. They are extremely safe and again if there is a failure it isn’t sending steel shrapnel at your head. I carry at least 3 of these. I only carry 1 steel shackle, if your recovery points are just a hole in a tab, it is still the best connection.

Snatch blocks. I’m moving away from heavy steel contraptions to a simple aluminum ring that works with a soft shackle. The aluminum ring is lighter, seeing a trend? Again less weight if there is a failure less weight equals less energy. It also makes your gear weigh less and easier to store. I carry 2 of these, still need more to complete my fleet but getting there.

Recovery strap, make sure if it is a strap it is nylon and not polyester. Nylon stretches, polyester does not. Nylon is for recovery, polyester is for tree savers. A recovery strap or kinetic energy rope are a must and need to be rated to a minimum of 20,000 pounds. 20,000 pounds! My rig only weighs 5000 why 20,000? It is a kinetic energy device, hit the end of it with momentum and you can usually extricate what is stuck in the mud and develop many times your vehicles weight in pulling power. Hung on rocks is not the place to use that kinetic energy, but stuck in the mud most definitely is.

Tree savers in many areas are required by law anytime a winch or anchor line is attached to a tree. It protects the tree from damage often saving it from dying. They are also great for going around points if rocks or other objects. I carry at least 2. They typically range in length from 6-12 feet.

Post what you carry and we can also work in some techniques. I’ll use a term from my tactical training buddies. “Amateurs talk hardware Professionals talk software.” You can have all the gear in the world but if you don’t have the know how, training, and experience to use it it just weighs you down, slows you down and is in the way.
 

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I'd like to hear what people are using for an under axle jack. I have packed a Hi-Lift for decades and apparently they are required hood ornaments if you own a H**p. I have enough flex in mine that Hi-Lift is not really a safe way to get under the rig for anything. Mine is nothing special compared to some of the insane rigs being built so I would imagine a Hi-Lift is all but useless, and yes, I have a 48" and a 60" version.
 
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I carry a high lift bolted to the cage, in the last 10 years I think it’s been used 3 times. For it to be remotely useful you have to carry a ratchet strap or a chain to keep the suspension from drooping too far. I’d much rather winch it over on 2 wheels, mostly because people look at you like your an idiot LOL.

For under an axle it’s hard to beat a hydraulic bottle jack. I like the 2 stage ones, they have enough stroke to get under the axle with a flat tire and then get the axle high enough to get the tire off the ground. Super Duty trucks are a great source for those. Me I really don’t have a preference for jacks as long as there is one, none of them are perfect.
 

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Steve, very good info. I had been thinking of converting to soft shackles after seeing them used a couple times. I think you've sealed the deal! Also like that snatch block that works with the soft shackle - that's a new one on me. Might ditch my hooks too!!

Any thoughts on devices such as a pull-pal? We were in the situation last weekend where we did not have a winch point. A couple of uphill cedars had been uprooted indicating others had been stuck n the same spot! I had to come in from the other end of the trail and do a fairly hairy 10 pt turn to get in position to winch the stuck Bronco. A pull-pal or some type of portable winch point might have helped out. Metal stake and 20 lb sledge??

This is me getting turned around! (At Merus Adventure Park)
 

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Merus definitely his some “spots” and often not good anchor points. I’ve used pull pals and they work very well. My only is issue is at some point you have to draw the line at what your going to carry, space and weight are all issues. I do carry a small shovel, usually referred to as the “desert toilet” lol. I’ve buried a spare tire, log and a high lift jack (not at the same time) to create that recovery point. It all worked, was it as easy as a pull pal? No. Will it work in very hard, rocky ground? Maybe, maybe not. To me a pull pal fits in with sand tracks, looks cool but how often will it get used? Do you already have something that can be adapted to work? I’m bad about breaking that “don’t go alone” rule so being creative and doing the out of the box often is required. So if you can spare the space and feel it’s a necessary item, by all means do so.

That’s what makes what we do great, everyone has their own ideas and what is important to them and as a group we can over come any obstacle.
 

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I like your list. Not as critical with synthetic, but some type of energy blanket for over the cable.

This is a subject I've been kicking around for myself. My hickey needs a new cable that I've been dragging my feet on. Plus I picked up a 8274 Friday with a bare drum. Winch cables in my area spend time on the ground dragging logs up to the road, my trailer needs a roller for the back if I make the change, even though you have a sleeve for wear, I don't know how well it holds up to repeated use. I really like the synthetic I have on another winch just not in wear situations. Having to gear back up for a different cable adds up quickly.

I don't know where I recently heard it mentioned that marine soft shackles are much cheaper. What little research I did I was coming up short on weight ratings. Hopefully someone has a link. Don't know if marine use a similar pulley for a snatch block ?

Highlift Jacks can be used to push-pull and get the body-axle off a rock/log in a pinch.
 
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I like your list. Not as critical with synthetic, but some type of energy blanket for over the cable.

This is a subject I've been kicking around for myself. My hickey needs a new cable that I've been dragging my feet on. Plus I picked up a 8274 Friday with a bare drum. Winch cables in my area spend time on the ground dragging logs up to the road, my trailer needs a roller for the back if I make the change, even though you have a sleeve for wear, I don't know how well it holds up to repeated use. I really like the synthetic I have on another winch just not in wear situations. Having to gear back up for a different cable adds up quickly.

I don't know where I recently heard it mentioned that marine soft shackles are much cheaper. What little research I did I was coming up short on weight ratings. Hopefully someone has a link. Don't know if marine use a similar pulley for a snatch block ?

Highlift Jacks can be used to push-pull and get the body-axle off a rock/log in a pinch.
I believe working winches are different, that is the appropriate use for steel cable. They see use/abuse that you just don’t get doing just recovery. There also isn’t usually 20 people standing around either. As for repeated use synthetic holds up great and is tolerant to being wadded up and thrown around. I’ve used it doing work but care has to be taken about it being abraded. The sleeves do help but aren’t a cure all. A real advantage to synthetic is the ability to splice it back together in the field in just a few minutes. With the popularity of synthetic, steel all has lost the price advantage but does have certain applications where it is the right choice.

I also hear you on gearing up for different stuff, anything that rope touches needs to be smooth, where as cable doesn’t really care. Synthetic is tolerant to being drug over edges but they have to be rounded and smooth, that’s why it uses a hawse fairlead, a roller works if it never touches the corners, which we all know isn’t happening lol. Part of what is driving some of this discussion is I’m up fitting a new truck and completing the update of my bronco at the same time.

As for prices, it’s all over the place. If your good with knots and weaving you can make about 30 with a $150 piece of rope. I’ve been paying about $16 from Amazon for both the rings and soft shackles. A rope ready for install on a winch is less than $100.

A note about durability, recently replaced a rope that was 10 years old and literally had 100’s of pulls on it. I would have gone through 4 or 5 steel cables in that time.
 
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Kinetic straps are a great tool, they're way under used imo. I can't remember how many pounds this one is, 125k or 150k iirc, I'll have to look. It's was so muddy that year during harvest. Stuck 7 times in a week, took one yank each time to pull it out.
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^^^Bobby, that is the perfect example of how to use a kinetic rope/strap. Smaller tractor pulling out a larger, heavier combine.

Back when I had my cab truck, it weighed 6800#…. If I got burried, my best wheelin buddy had a 3200# Samurai. We’d throw on a 30’ kinetic rope, he’d back up to my bumper and hit it, he’d be in 3rd gear at the end of the strap, rarely did it take more than 1 pull to get the job done. Somewhere I have a VHS with that action happening LOL.
 

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You highlighted one of the differences in how someone plans to use their winch effects what they should be using. Since I have more than one winch I'm trying to decide if I should set up more for the synthetic option, trying to make some changes in what my needs currently are. Currently using a bag I drag along when I think I might have a need, not much for synthetic. As you know that bag weighs a ton, would love to lighten it up. Soft shackles will work for both but as you mentioned pulleys will be a problem....

Do you have any links for the pulleys or long cable you have bought?
 
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You highlighted one of the differences in how someone plans to use their winch effects what they should be using. Since I have more than one winch I'm trying to decide if I should set up more for the synthetic option, trying to make some changes in what my needs currently are. Currently using a bag I drag along when I think I might have a need, not much for synthetic. As you know that bag weighs a ton, would love to lighten it up. Soft shackles will work for both but as you mentioned pulleys will be a problem....

Do you have any links for the pulleys or long cable you have bought?
I used to do the same, one bag, multiple rigs. Works great until I would forget or say nah I’m not going to need that or use it and not put it back so it’s in the other truck when I needed it so I’ve committed to out fitting each one specifically.

Here’s some links for you. I’m spoiled with Amazon, shop enough other to make sure I’m getting a fair deal and it arrives in a day or 2.

Soft shackles

Ring and soft shackle

Winch rope

All of the above items I have purchased and used.
 

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Great topic Yeller. I recently got my first kinetic rope, and have been looking into the soft shackles and snatch blocks like you’ve got above. They definitely provide a margin of safety when things go wrong when compared to some of the more traditional products.
 

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Thanks for the links, Steve. Good to hear from someone that has actually used them.

If I'm not mistaken you are in Oklahoma the home to 2 quality winch manufacturers in the past, both claiming to starting a different category of winches. I've got a couple Ramsey's, older one that needs a motor, a more modern one I won at the Easter Jeep safari years ago. My ex was giving me trouble about going to the raffle so I gave my buddy my ticket. Told him if I win the winch he can have my old one. 25+ years later he still has the Braden on his FJ40.
 
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Yes we are home to 3 winch manufacturers that I’m aware of Ramsey, Braden, and Tulsa, all of which are located in Tulsa. For over a decade Ramsey was a sponsor of the race team. They got a new marketing guy that doesn’t care about recreational winch sales so they have really let that segment fall off. Still good equipment just not making updates or doing marketing for it, I’m sure their industrial stuff is more profitable lol. Both of my rigs have Ramsey’s, have had them for nearly 20 years.
 

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I held out as long as I could to convert my Warn 8274 from steel to synthetic. I wish I had done it sooner. I would see friends trying to help me lug that heavy cable up a hill and then get cut with the burs. Then I'd be helping them and they would have rope which was so easy when I was tugging on it.
I quit carrying heavy steel shackles now too. That heavy clanging around is gone and now I have a few soft shackles that loop over part of the cage in easy to get to places.
Same as the doubler - now I have the donut. I'll go one step further, Snipes put me on to this and it does help when alone. It has a simple molding to keep the rope in place while it's loose. https://brennans-garage.com/collections/frontpage/products/snatch-ring-package

We pulled 1,800 of field fence this weekend. When feasible, I used the Bronco with rope line and soft shackles to make connections. It was so light and easy to work with. My friends who helped were amazed at the soft shackle and how it works.
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Glad to here I'm not the only one building fence LOL. Made plans over the weekend for another 1/2 mileo_O

I'll have to keep that in mind, a Velcro cable ties will work fantastic, and I have them. They are handy for organizing extension cords, air hoses, water hoses, and are reusable.
Velcro straps
 

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My fence tool. I have about 6000' of fence to pull this week, 1800' next week.
 

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Just got a synthetic winch rope and soft shackles for myself this spring.

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