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Self-Recovery and Winch Safety

xbanone

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I would like to start a thread dealing with winch safety, proper use of tow straps, Hi Lifts and similar equipment. I know there has been many times I (and i'm sure others) have used unsafe techniques and practices trying to get "unstuck". I think it would be a good idea if everyone chimes in and gives good tips to make sure everyone here learns how to properly use thier equipment.
To start, I see all the time, people tugging away with chains or using winches without a weight on the cable/chain to keep it from flying violently out of controlwhen or if it breaks, that can be very dangerous, if you dont have a winch weight a heavy coat or blanket will also work....

anyone else have any thoughts??
 

SaddleUp

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1: Winch cables store an enormous amount of energy and therefore a blanket or coat need to be placed on them to soak up the energy if they break. A long tow strap can also be wrapped around it 2 or 3 times as a substitute. Or better yet use synthetic winch line instead.

2: Tow straps also store a great deal of energy (see number 3) and therefore they also should have something to soak it up if it breaks.

3: Be sure the attaching points of each are secure and adequate. Do not trust the tie downs found on some stock vehicles. (They look suspiciously like hooks but don't be fooled) I had a friend that attached a tow strap to one of these. The tie down blew the back of his head up when it came through the window. Last I saw him he was out of the coma and was learning to walk and talk which were both extremely difficult for him. (Each sentence took two or three minutes and was hard to understand) He was lucky because his girlfriend that was with him was a nurse and kept him alive until lifeflight got there.

4: Be absolutely sure the footing and mounting points on a high lift jack are solid. They also store a great deal of energy and have been known to seriously injure people if they come flying out.

5: Keep people out of the line of winch cables, jack handles, and well clear of the area where your jacking.

6: If you jack your rig up then be sure it has some blocking before you get under it. Toss the tire under the axle if nothing else.

7: Block tires when jacking on hills. If steep then tie off to a tree with either chains or the winch. (Be sure to use a tree saver around the tree itself)

8: Inspect all equipment before each trip to be sure it is in good repair. This includes pulling the winch cable out and winding it back on the drum neatly. The cable will also last longer that way. If you get a snag in the cable clip it off right away so it doesn't get worse and to avoid having it tear into your hands.

9: Always use leather gloves when handling the winch cable.

10: Keep hands clear of the winch drum when the winch is in operation. Never ever trust someone else with the controller when your hands are on the cable. If there is any chance that you can get hurt by them accidentally hitting the button then make sure there hands are nowhere near the button. It's preferable for the person handling the cable to also handle the controller.

11: Wear long pants and a solid pair of boots. (Work or hiking, NOT cowboy boots) Both will help protect your legs and ankles from cables, chains and ropes if they brush up against them.

12: Avoid powering the winch out. (Freespool it out whenever possible) The way the winch is designed makes it such that this is literally powering it against the brake so excessive use this way will wear out the brake and winch motor. Without a good brake the winch will not hold the vehicle when it isn't under power.

13: Be sure the equipment is capable of the load that will be on it. For instance many chains are not rated very high even though they look adequate. Or 5/16" winch cable which is barely adequate for 8,000 lbs. can be pushed way beyond it's limits pulling a 5,000 lb. rig out of sticky mud.

14: Never use a winch cable for towing. The loads put on it if the line goes slack and is jerked on can break the cable and even possible the winch itself.

15: Axes were not mentioned but be sure you know how to use one if it is necessary. (Same goes for chainsaws, shovels, etc.) Don't laugh. Last year a fellow wheeler that was with us had to go to the emergency room to get stiches after he tried to cut his leg off. Fortunately it was only a 45 minute drive. Quite often though the places we go are much further from medical help.

16: Have a trustworthy spotter to watch things from the outside while winching. (They should already know to stay clear of the winch cable, etc.)

Perhaps I went a bit overboard here but all of these I think are important trail safety items.
 

cro_bronco

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Never use a hitch ball as the attachment point for the strap or winch cable. Pull the ball, slide the strap inside the hitch and secure it with the 5/8" pin. When you go out make sure you are prepared, someone will get stuck, and it is much safer to use the right stuff instead of improvising. I carry 2 or 3 - 5/8" screw type shackles, a tree saver, a snatch block, a 2"x30 ft tow strap, a shackle hitch adapter, and my winch. Also always have a pair of gloves handy.
Happy Trails, Chad
 

TJK74

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Absolutely...Do Not use a so called tow rope with the hooks spliced on the ends of the rope. I have personally see a few of these fail and are very dangerous!
 

welndmn

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www.winchweight.com, get one or make one.
I made a ton from some old fire hose, filled it sand, and expoyed it together.
I used to give them out to people.

I personally run rope on my winch. Yes, wire will last longer, My rope is about 5 years old, and needs to be replaced because of wear.
I have seen the rope brake a few times, it has the stored engery of a someone snapping a wet towel.
 

Steve

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Like welndmn I have rope on my winch. Yeah, it's expensive and must be replaced more often, but it's MUCH safer than cable, which is why I run it.
 

ugly74

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this post is a good idea! I've seen some really questionable methods with people using winches or highlifts.
y'all pretty much covered everything already.
when I'm recovering a vehicle (usually my plow truck) I throw a 3 foot piece of 3/8" chain over the line, just in case.

High lifts can be spooky sometimes too. I've used mine as a winch, which is slow hard work. once towards the end of the swing, my hands slipped off of the handle before it latched, and the handle flew back up and caught me right in the chin! cracked a tooth and bled a lot. %)
 

NC-Fordguy

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Keep a fire extiquisher handy...actually required in US Forrest lands

Ditto on the first aid kit

If possible I like to pop open the hood when winching.....just in case of cable breaking

It's a good idea to have some CPR and first aid training.

Ed
 

Skiddy

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All good information you all. Someone should take all of this and add in the FAQ section;)
 

MikeEB

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ugly74 said:
High lifts can be spooky sometimes too. I've used mine as a winch, which is slow hard work. once towards the end of the swing, my hands slipped off of the handle before it latched, and the handle flew back up and caught me right in the chin! cracked a tooth and bled a lot. %)


Busted my thumb this way when it slipped out of my hand, should've had gloves on and it wouldn't have happened. I agree with you Skiddy, this would be a great FAQ and Saddleup's thread practically has everything done as is.
 

crawln68

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This is a long article but full of a lot of great recovery information and tips. Grab a cup of coffee and happy reading.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Recovery/index.html

Another thing that I have found to be helpful is during a recovery, there should only be one boss and that boss is the one making the decisions. If that is you, then be the boss if it's someone else, then let them be the boss. Try to make constructive suggestions if you see a better way to do something, but let the recovery boss be the decision maker. And don’t be in a hurry.
 

eds66bronco

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a big one i can think of is that your winch is only rated at full pull through the first and second layer from the drum. the next wrap of cable drops to about 70% and the next to about 50% and after that about 25%. i know it sucks to have to pull that much cable out to make a pull but if you only strip out a few yards of cable, your 10,000 lb winch is now only a 2,500 lb winch and the motor is not liking you very much!
 

drscotch

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do not help unless it's safe

I've seen some scary failures because the stuck guy says "no problem, that will hold" Remember, he's motivated to get un-stuck, you should be motivated to stay alive.

If you're asked to pull someone out make sure you assess the situation carefully. It's ultimately your call as to whether or not you help. Make sure it's safe. I always check the attachment points on the stuck vehicle. I've seen guys wrap a chain around a tie rod and yell "giv'er!" I've seen (from a distance) a guy wrap a winch cable around his bumper (dead winch) and then get pulled by the hook...guess what happened? A lot of these guys just won't listen to reason. If you come across this, just move on.

Be safe! :cool:
 

MikeM

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When uprighting a vehicle on a slope make sure it's in gear and has the brake on. If you don't have a good brake then put a tie down on the shifter so it can't pop out of gear.
 

mountain14er

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I carry a high lift and it's come through for me as a "winch." As a jack, it's about as stable as propping a big stick under the bumper.
 

GRIZZLY

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Stay away from chains while using snatch straps also. Tried to warn some younger guys out at Azusa Canyon about this several years ago. I was told to mind my own business. I'm just glad it only resulted in a folded over tail gate on "my uncles truck" he said with teary eyes......
 

Skiddy

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GRIZZLY said:
Stay away from chains while using snatch straps also. Tried to warn some younger guys out at Azusa Canyon about this several years ago. I was told to mind my own business. I'm just glad it only resulted in a folded over tail gate on "my uncles truck" he said with teary eyes......
I have actually done the same thing when I was dumber and younger but no one to tell us any different. The chain wraped around his tailgate and then the side mirror brand new paint job:cry: my buddies truck and he wasn't a happy camper. But at least we were lucky it could had been a lot worse.
 

eds66bronco

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forgot to add that if you have an extra tree saver you can wrap it around the frame or other solid point as a backup to the main pull point. attach this to the winch hook after hooking to the main pull point. if the main pull point/bumper/chunk of frame... rips off, the secondary strap will keep it from going projectile.
 
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