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Spindle bearing and seal?

Yooper74

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I bought a new bearing for my spindles. Came with 2 rubber seals. One larger and one same size as bearing.

When I took apart my original stuff this is not what I found. Bearing seems correct but did not have small rubber seal. The larger than as n the rubber seal that came with bearing.

On mobile so can’t post pics right now.

Any input would be appreciated
 
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Yooper74

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Searching the forum a bit and see reference to a deep well and shallow well. It would appear I have the deep well that requires a seal more like the hub Seal.

Not sure what I need to tell the parts store I need as they have me something else the first time
 

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What year is your Bronco? the '74 in your username? Does it have GM disc brakes by any chance?
I think the normal cutoff listed for the different seals is something like '72, but I know that even in '71 they were using the small seals. By '74 you should have been using the small seals, but with a disc conversion it might have been changed. I'm not sure that's appropriate though, as you're supposed to use whichever seal type yours originally came with so that the short outer stub axle shaft will fit the seal appropriately.
At least sometimes...

Just so we're sure here though, post up a pic of your spindle's backside.

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Yooper74

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Bronco is a 74. As far as I know it is all stock. Reason I have it apart is i'm pulling the drum brakes off and putting a disc kit on. Figured since I was in there i'd freshen up the bearings

here are some pics

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Rustytruck

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my 1974 didn't have the seal either when I pulled it apart back in 1977 one spindle bearing was not pushed in far enough to put the seal in the other bearing was stepped back enough for the seal but not used. Many years later I fixed that issue.
 

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Is the new spindle a deep spindle too? Does not sound like it, but wanted to be sure.
Since your old one had the larger seal (which I thought was the early design, but apparently is the later design) then that is the more desirable one because your axle is sized to go into the large seal.
If the new spindle is the deep type that matches yours, you would want to use the larger wheel bearing type seal and press it in to the back of the spindle like your original. If that means sourcing one locally to get you going, that's what I'd do. If you have time however, I would contact the vendor (was that us by any chance?) and see if they'll send you the correct seal.

But if the new spindle is the shallow type then you have to use the included older style seals with it. Hopefully it works, and I think it should, but have never actually tried it myself.
Did you also get the plastic thrust washer? Has a bevel on one inner edge and is usually plastic even though the originals were bronze and fits over the axle shaft?

The way these are laid out is the bearing is recessed into it's pocket, then the small seal is a loose fit just on top of the bearing. I've always installed them with the open face inward toward the bearing. But many here do it the other way and I don't think I've ever heard of an issue. Not that we'd usually know of it, but after all these years I would think any problems would have cropped up already.

Then the thrust washer slides over the axle first, bevel facing the differential.

The larger seal shaped kind of like a bellows will also go on either way, but I usually install them with the cupped side facing the spindle and the more solid side facing the axle flange and thrust washer.

Do a trial fit to see how this works out. If it just does not seem like it's going to work, you may need spindles with the deep well and the big seal. Which would be a bummer and more of a hassle. So hopefully the new layout will work.

Paul
 
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Yooper74

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The kit uses the original spindles.

Just for curiosity sake I went to rock auto and looked up a seal for a 1970 bronco. What I have looks like the one they show.

No shop in town can look up a part for a 74 bronco and come up with the seal I have. Maybe sometime in the last 45 years someone put an older set of spindles on the thing or something.
 

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that big seal was used normally on dana 30 spindles the dana 44 dumped it and used a large seal with a v ring on it. dana 30 spindles and dana 44 spindles swap and are same bolt pattern.
 

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Ok good to know I wasn't crazy all those years of thinking it was the early design. My '71 (first year of the Dana 44) had the small seal.

Interesting that your kit utilizes the original spindle. Does it have a spacer of some kind to fit behind it? Or do they handle the offset in some other fashion? Not using Ford disc rotor and hub maybe?

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Yooper74

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The kit I bought was the budget kit from Duff. No spacers. Had to machine the hub to accept the disc. That must be where the offset is handled. It brought the disc flush against the stock hub.

Very strange that I have what appears to be the pre 71 dana 30 spindles. I've got a new seal coming from NAPA tomorrow that was stock to a 70 so we'll see if it fits. Looks to me just the brass washer, seal, then bearing. Thats all that was there when I took it all apart
 
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Yooper74

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Thanks for the Denny's Driveshaft link. That was very helpful.

So best I can tell I have dana 30 spindles on a dana 44 axle. Why that would be is beyond me. it all appears to be OEM.

here's a blow apart from denny's website that shows a pre 71 bronco. The parts list for the spindle bearing, seal, brass washer is the same as what I pulled apart.

If I had known about the wild horses poly bearing I probably woulda done that but to far down the road and to anxious to get it back together so I can move onto the next thing this weekend.

I've been on a lot of forums for my many hobbies over the years and this is by far the most informative. Thanks a bunch for all the info.

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So best I can tell I have dana 30 spindles on a dana 44 axle. Why that would be is beyond me. it all appears to be OEM.

I've learned not to get too squinched up trying to figure out how something got somewhere unexpected on these rigs. It was either done by a PO (perhaps to replace damaged goods and that's what they received so that's what was used) or perhaps even by Ford out of some necessity when the newer spindles were out of stock. Some warranty work perhaps?
In '73/'74 we had the oil crisis that might have backed up shipping and in order to save some money they started shipping out old stock from the manufacturer. Or they had a run on Dana 30's and 60's and ran out of 44 stuff temporarily. Or Ford started bitching about the price so old stock was substituted to make it look like they were getting the bro deal.
Anything is possible...

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