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The rules with frame VIN numbers

serial car restorer

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Consider this example: A 1952 Willys Jeep has a stamped metal plate, attached with screws, as the only unique identifier on the vehicle. It is vastly easier to remove than the riveted warranty data plate affixed with rivets on the kick panel of a 1966 Bronco. (which is NOT easily removable, and also not a legal VIN plate.)

Regardless of that, I appreciate your attitude, and preferences regarding VIN's. I think you speak for a lot of people, and that means that you represent a significant portion of the market.
Well, you are correct about chassis numbers in the old days (before there was a legal definition of VIN). I really wasn't thinking about going that far back.

But I think that all depends on who's working at the DMV that day.
True, but that could be a problem for future sale of the vehicle. If the young kid gives you a title for a vehicle that lacks a true, legal VIN (such as based solely on the glovebox tag) it may be impossible for a future buyer to title it if a VIN inspection by a more knowledgeable agent won't approve it.

Far simpler to not try to get lucky, or skirt the rules, but to work within the rules to have something that is truly compliant, not just snuck through the cracks.

That's all for me on this topic. I'm out now.
 

hunter1

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“But clearly you have no intent to deceive...so it is not a lie. (unless your name is Trump...)”

Always thought you were an arrogant a**hole with some of you answers, but completely understandable now!
 
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“But clearly you have no intent to deceive...so it is not a lie. (unless your name is Trump...)”

Always thought you were an arrogant a**hole with some of you answers, but completely understandable now!
I was really hoping someone would hijack my thread and turn it into politics and personal attacks. Wanna respond on who started it next?
 

bmc69

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I own or have owned probably 40 pre-1980 Ford and Willys trucks or other vehicles...11 of those EBs. I was brutally made aware of how critical the VIN legality issue is as a result of a tragic accident involving one of my trucks - 1978 Bronco - driven by my brother at the time.

Maryland is full of vehicle inspectors that are as lazy and uninformed as any and I've never had one ever dig down and find the frame VIN. They look at the one on the pillar tag or glovebox and happily sign off. I never gave that a second thought..."worked for me" as the old saying goes.

My '78 was third vehicle in to a three-car accident and crushed the one immediately in front of it. One child dead...driver and second child badly injured. Of the two vehicles that initiated the accident, one was uninsured and the other was under-insured. So who did the lawyers come after?...yours truly, to the tune of 6.5 million dollars.

My Bronco was impounded for nearly a month as various inspectors poured over it, some trying to find liability, others trying to avoid it. In the end, they found nothing and thanks to a cooperative sheriffs office, no fault was found, my insurance company successfully defended the suit and it all went away.

BUT!....had the frame VIN not matched the title and insurance information, my insurance company could have - would have - simply dusted their hands together and said "sorry for you, pal....your truck was not legally registered and insured".
 

catfan

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I was really hoping someone would hijack my thread and turn it into politics and personal attacks. Wanna respond on who started it next?
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