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Yet another fuel gauge issue

DirtDonk

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Yes. Small semi rectangular metal-ish container with a single screw to the back of the instrument cluster for its ground connection.
One green with black wire coming in and one wire going out to all three gauges.
Connections are keyed so you can’t get them backwards.
 
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Is that something you'd find at a local parts store?

Also, I did the volt meter test at the wires at the sending unit and nada.

Still could be the wire or could be the IVR. Sigh...
 
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Yes, at least until recently some of my better equipped parts stores in this area actually had them in stock in the store.
Most probably don’t keep them on the shelf, but can have them in a day or so.
Take a close look at yours first, and take a picture in with you, because there are far too many closely related parts with just enough differences so as to not be easy to make work in your bronco.
Luckily, the bronco one is relatively common.

But before you go spending any money, especially big bucks in some cases, measure the voltage going into and coming out of it first.
Testing out at the other end of the wires near the sending unit doesn’t tell you whether it’s the IVR, or just some of the wires.
Also, and I have to ask, did you turn the key on when you were testing? :)
 

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remember,the oil,temp and fuel all three use the iver.so if temp and oil preasure work then it is not going to be the ivr.
 
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Yes the key was on during testing.

Stock oil pressure and temp gauges are unhooked as I'm using aftermarket mechanical gauges for those two.
 
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What a cluster....lol.

Had a light and a mirror and absolutely could not see the IVR on the back of the gauge cluster. Turns out there was a thick taped loom of wire right over it that didn't want to move.

Ended up unscrewing the cluster from the dash in an effort to push it down so I could work on it. I've probably messed up who knows what now.

I was couldn't quite get a voltmeter on it so I ultimately got the IVR out. Put it up on the rad and put a jumper wire from the positive side of the battery and then probed it with my analog (sweep) volt meter.

Best I can tell it's pulsing.

But.....since its out it's probably best to just replace it since they're not expensive.

Then I'll still probably have to run a new wire from the dash back to the tank.
 
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Back to this. Went a few weeks where there wasn't much time or motivation on my end to work on this.

I ended up buying a new IVR from Tom's as well as LED replacement bulbs for the lights in the gauge cluster. BTW, the IVR didn't fix it. Best I can tell it's the wire somewhere between the gauge and the unit. I'll have to run a new one I guess.

Ended up removing the entire cluster, cleaning it up, the glass inside and out and removing dust etc from the gauge faces etc. My bronco was painted red before my ownership and they painted the gauge ring as well which I never really liked. Some of the paint scraped off while I was removing it so I just removed the rest.

Came out pretty nicely but I had a mishap where I broke one of the new lights and it seems like not all of the lights are on. Though one thing I have now that I've not had in almost 30 years of having my bronco is turn signal indicators!

I found a yellow with white stripe wire with all of the wires behind the cluster that runs into the large/main loom that runs behind the dash. It has a factory female spade connector. I have no idea where it goes. I don't recall removing it and I've replaced everything else that I can see. Anyone have any ideas?
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EDIT: Searching provides (I think). Think in another thread Paul posted the SeaBiscuit68 site with the wiring diagrams and it would appear the yellow with white wire runs from the Fuel Tank Selector switch (which I have but no aux tank installed) to the Fuel Gauge Sender.

Just not sure where these are exactly back there so I'll have to look for pics. It would stand to reason though that this lead not being hooked up could potentially be my gauge issue.
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I ended up buying a new IVR from Tom's as well as LED replacement bulbs for the lights in the gauge cluster. BTW, the IVR didn't fix it.
Probably logical, since the old one seemed to be doing it's job based on your previous testing.
Best I can tell it's the wire somewhere between the gauge and the unit. I'll have to run a new one I guess.
You still have the dash mounted switch to take into account. They fail almost as often as the sending units.
My bronco was painted red before my ownership and they painted the gauge ring as well which I never really liked. Some of the paint scraped off while I was removing it so I just removed the rest.
Was the dash painted as well? Firewall? You may have to re-ground the body to the dash, and the dash to the cluster. Just to keep bad grounding from being one of the gremlins you have to chase.
Speaking of which, is there still a body ground from the battery to the fender? And what about a body ground from the engine to the firewall? Ford did not see fit to install one of those on Early Broncos, so you might want to add your own just because.
Came out pretty nicely but I had a mishap where I broke one of the new lights and it seems like not all of the lights are on. Though one thing I have now that I've not had in almost 30 years of having my bronco is turn signal indicators!
Maybe the old bulbs were burned out all that time? I had to change multiple bulbs over the years I was driving mine.
The dash bulbs get their ground through the cluster housing, rather than having a dedicated ground circuit for the lamps, like most aftermarket harnesses offer.
Adding LED bulbs can compound issues too sometimes though. They are often (always?) polarity sensitive unlike a regular bulb. So if the housing allows the bulb to go in either way, you should try reversing any bulbs that do not work.
Unfortunately, old sockets fail too, so your literally 50 year old wiring and sockets might be having old-age issues.
I found a yellow with white stripe wire with all of the wires behind the cluster that runs into the large/main loom that runs behind the dash. It has a factory female spade connector. I have no idea where it goes. I don't recall removing it and I've replaced everything else that I can see. Anyone have any ideas?
Yes, that should be the gauge feed to the AUX/Side tank sending unit. Not sure why it would be up in the main dash harness behind the cluster though, as it's for the switch when equipped with two tanks.
However, by '73 they may have integrated it further into the harness, where some were more by themselves. It's not needed up at the gauge cluster, but if that wire is long enough to reach the dash switch, then that's what it's for.
Main tank wire is Orange. Orange from the gauge to the switch, and Orange from the switch to the MAIN/Rear tank sender
Just not sure where these are exactly back there so I'll have to look for pics. It would stand to reason though that this lead not being hooked up could potentially be my gauge issue.
Should not be, as it's for the AUX tank only.
However the switch can still be an issue unless the PO swapped wires. But I think you previously stated that you removed the side tank yourself? If that's the case then maybe we can fix a potential wiring issue. At least temporarily until you need the second tank again.
Follow the Orange wires near the switch and look for two mating 90° connectors. With two tanks this connector is parted and a jumper wire assembly goes to the switch to let you change between tanks.
If you can find the two connector halves that go together, pull them from their associated partners and re-connect them to each other.
This bypasses the dash switch and runs the Orange wire from the rear tank directly to the gauge. Eliminating at least one possible culprit.

See if that gets you anywhere.

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And since we're on the subject of LED lights, you said that one of your turn signal lights was working. I take that to mean that the other does not. You might try taking the one that does not, out of it's socket and reversing the bulb. See if that fixes the issue.
If not, then you will have to put the bulb in a known-good socket to make sure that the bulb is not the issue.
Once you are sure the bulb works, look at the connection between the socket and the cluster housing. That's all those little metal tabs/tangs that come out of the plastic socket.
If they are not getting a good ground connection to the housing, the lamp will never (or almost never) work.

Paul
 
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Thanks, Paul.

To clarify some things, I've only ever had one turn signal light working ever. Now both work. Very happy about that.

The aux tank was removed by the PO. All of the harness, straps, filler neck (Everything) is still in place.

The sockets allow the bulbs to go either way and I've rotated them around and tried them different ways.

I will check to see about the ground. I might run an extra ground from one of the screws on the back of the gauge cluster housing to the dash. Dash is painted but on the bottom side isn't and I've got other things that work grounded there.

I also like the idea of potentially bypassing the tank selector switch. It's not out of the realm of possibility of getting an aux tank back in there. I've been wrestling between that and getting a bigger rear tank. Those tend to take up more room that I'd like so I've leaning towards going back to an aux tank.

Is that switch connected behind the dash right on the other side of the dash switch?
 
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I also like the idea of potentially bypassing the tank selector switch. It's not out of the realm of possibility of getting an aux tank back in there. I've been wrestling between that and getting a bigger rear tank. Those tend to take up more room that I'd like so I've leaning towards going back to an aux tank.

Is that switch connected behind the dash right on the other side of the dash switch?
Not sure, I understand the question.
If you mean are there just push on connectors attaching the wires to the back of the switch, then the answer is yes.
So you can easily disconnect the switch and pull it out without disturbing much wiring.
If you mean are those two 90° connectors back there, yes to that too, as they are if not right at the switch, at least nearby where you can see them.
It’s usually one of the easier things to accomplish under the dash in fact.
 
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Well, I didn't get to the fuel gauge as I now have some sort of intermittent grounding problem with the cluster.

I'll check the lights, they'll come on. I try to turn the key to start, nothing. Maybe one click. Then the lights don't come on or they're really really dim.

Put a battery charger on the battery. Doesn't help You would think that with a charger on it (and battery is not old or discharged) that everything should light up, but sometimes the lights won't come on even after having the charger on for awhile or having it on the Engine Start Setting.

So, there has to be some sort of intermittent/bad grounding issue.

I'm using the new steady state IVR from Tom's and I put the factory wires on the posts that matched. Male spade to female on the IVR and vice versa.

I don't see any other grounding wire from the cluster housing so I may try to run one.

I hate electrical issues. Ugh.
 

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There was never a factory ground wire from the cluster to the dash. Same for the dash to the body, and the body to battery.
They relied on its contact with clean metal.
After all these years though, not so much!
 
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Something definitely off. I did find a slightly loose connection in the batt side of the starter solenoid so shored that up.

I did get it running finally.

And Paul, thanks for the other suggestion. I bypassed the tank selector switch. (Orange wire that disappears into the big loom and plugged it directly into the gauge and turned the key. Went all the way beyond full.

Don't recall if I'd filled it up before all of this so I'm wondering if it's a real reading or the equivalent somehow of jumpering the the plug in the other end.

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Not sure either. But at least it’s great to see the needle up above the full mark for once!
I guess you’ll still have to do some more testing.

Or just drive around on that tank until it’s empty. 😉😁
I guess that’s not really an option with only one tank.
When you have two you can easily switch between them if you run out of gas on one.

As long as the other two gauges are not pegged also at least you know it’s not a feed problem from the IVR.
 
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So apparently, my electrical woes may stem from my battery.

It's a red top Duralast which according to the guy at autozone is at least 3 years old as they aren't that color anymore.

I had gotten the bronco started and driven it down there to see if they could test it in the truck to tell if if was discharging when everything was off. One lest ghost to chase was my thinking.

It was 100% charged but failed the cranking health parameter so he said it's on it's way out.

I don't plan on spending $180 for a Duralast so I'm going to go with a Rural King battery for $90. Have a buddy who's been running one in his woods bronco for the past couple of years with 0 issues. They come with a 2 year warranty and supposedly a 72 month lifespan. Worth a shot in something I don't drive every day.

Figure I'll get new cables while I'm at it and then figure out running a decent body to frame ground somewhere.

And I've driven it around for years with one tank and no working gas gauge. I always keep a jerry/gerry can with me.
 
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Glad you found a bad battery well before it tried to leave you stranded somewhere. But the battery alone is not causing a fuel gauge only issue. If it was the battery, the other two gauges on the IVR (Temp and Press) would be acting wonky too and only reading low or high depending on how the fuel gauge is reading.
But one thing at a time is the way to do it sometimes. That way you can truly track down and eliminate the gremlin(s) giving you grief.

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Yeah something is still awry. I bought a digital voltmeter (my current one is analog) so I can try and tell if something's discharging when everything is "off."

Rural King was actually out of the group 65 batts and I've started to rethink my route there and I may just bite the bullet and get a yellow top optima with new cables.

I'm also going to start disconnecting the negative cable when I'm not driving it as it's not a daily driver.
 
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Update. Yellow top optima in with new cables and Recoil terminals.

Fired right up.

Fuel gauge works.
Got my slow leaking tire plugged.

We'll see if anything drains the new battery.

Now my power steering box is leaking by the pitman arm. FML.

As my dad used to say, it's like wiping your butt with a bicycle tire...there's just no end to it.

On to the next search.


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