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want to add power steering GB and pump

bowhunter1331

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is there a oem GB that i can add a pump too? I believe a pump off a Mustang II would work along with the bracket, but what gearbox can you use other than buying a new kit form a MFG.
F100 gear box or old Mustang box?
 

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I think I can honestly say...it's ALL been tried and in the end...no, no there isn't. :) The Xterra box is the closest but if going that route, I suggest the Borgeson box. I've been running it for years.....no issues with 33's and street driving. If bigger than 33's, the 4x4x2 custom box is an option. It's overkill if not running bigs and hitting the rocks.

Tim
 
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I think I can honestly say...it's ALL been tried and in the end...no, no there isn't. :) The Xterra box is the closest but if going that route, I suggest the Borgeson box. I've been running it for years.....no issues with 33's and street driving. If bigger than 33's, the 4x4x2 custom box is an option. It's overkill if not running bigs and hitting the rocks.

Tim
Thank you Sir, is there a specific Borgeson box? or pump?
 

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Here' s the box...https://www.borgeson.com/product/P-S-Conversion-66-77-Ford-Bronco.html Not it IS metric fittings so adaptors are needed to plumb it in. I ended up just buying hte hoses from Borg.....

I got my box off eBay years ago. All the vendors sell the box above. Other sources as well.....

As to pump.....that's whatever pump you want to run. I ran the stock pump with the Borgeson box and now run a "canned ham" pump works with about any pump. As for bracket....think all the vendors sell a bracket for about any pump combo.

Tim
 

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is there a oem GB that i can add a pump too? I believe a pump off a Mustang II would work along with the bracket, but what gearbox can you use other than buying a new kit form a MFG.
F100 gear box or old Mustang box?
Yes of course there is. The 1973-1977 Bronco power steering box is native to the application.

It is a derivation of the Saginaw 800 series Gearbox that is used in every GM steering box used in the late 60's thru the 90's. The difference in the gearbox is the mounting housing. If you look at your manual box, you can see that the pitman arm is located OUTBOARD of the frame rail. This is unusual, since most frames are wider, and the pitman arm is located inboard.

There are a number of various steering boxes used with an outboard sector shaft. The 76-79 F150 4x4 box, the IH Scout 2 box, and the Nissan X-terra boxes are all outboard as well. The Jeep wrangler JK steering box is an inboard sector box, but if you source one from a Mail Jeep, (RHD) you can use the passenger side inboard box as a driver's side outboard box. All of the steering boxes that are not Early Bronco require some kind of modification for mounting since the holes are wrong. And some kind of input shaft mod. And some kind of steering hoses.

After 30 years of successful implementation, the Saginaw 800 series gearbox was re-designed for the 1999 Jeep Grand Wagoneer. This new box is called the Delphi 670 gearbox. The control valve design was improved, and the box was successfully used in the Jeep, and some GM SUV's. It is more compact, strong, and steers better. The aftermarket realized the potential of the new Delphi 670 for retrofit into many different classics, and collaborated with Delphi to make housings to fit. This "new" configuration is called the "Delphi 600" box. That has become the "go to" replacement as it bolts to the bronco frame, and fits within the factory space.

Unfortunately, there are two generations of factory steering box for the Early Bronco. And for 40 years, they were coveted, swapped, sold, and cores were unavailable. So supply shrank, and cost went up. The year split is 1975 to 1976. The 73-75 boxes are vague, sloppy, and have ~6 turns lock to lock at the wheel. The 76-77 box is vague, sloppy, and has ~4 turns lock to lock. If you can find an original 76-77 EB 4 turn box, that is not worn out, it is an excellent steering box that will bring you many years of joy.

And with the advent of the "stronger" 76-79 F150 4x4x2 box, and the release of the superior feel Delphi 600 box, the old legacy Factory Saginaw boxes have stabilized in price, and are still out there.
 

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Yes of course there is. The 1973-1977 Bronco power steering box is native to the application.

It is a derivation of the Saginaw 800 series Gearbox that is used in every GM steering box used in the late 60's thru the 90's. The difference in the gearbox is the mounting housing. If you look at your manual box, you can see that the pitman arm is located OUTBOARD of the frame rail. This is unusual, since most frames are wider, and the pitman arm is located inboard.

There are a number of various steering boxes used with an outboard sector shaft. The 76-79 F150 4x4 box, the IH Scout 2 box, and the Nissan X-terra boxes are all outboard as well. The Jeep wrangler JK steering box is an inboard sector box, but if you source one from a Mail Jeep, (RHD) you can use the passenger side inboard box as a driver's side outboard box. All of the steering boxes that are not Early Bronco require some kind of modification for mounting since the holes are wrong. And some kind of input shaft mod. And some kind of steering hoses.

After 30 years of successful implementation, the Saginaw 800 series gearbox was re-designed for the 1999 Jeep Grand Wagoneer. This new box is called the Delphi 670 gearbox. The control valve design was improved, and the box was successfully used in the Jeep, and some GM SUV's. It is more compact, strong, and steers better. The aftermarket realized the potential of the new Delphi 670 for retrofit into many different classics, and collaborated with Delphi to make housings to fit. This "new" configuration is called the "Delphi 600" box. That has become the "go to" replacement as it bolts to the bronco frame, and fits within the factory space.

Unfortunately, there are two generations of factory steering box for the Early Bronco. And for 40 years, they were coveted, swapped, sold, and cores were unavailable. So supply shrank, and cost went up. The year split is 1975 to 1976. The 73-75 boxes are vague, sloppy, and have ~6 turns lock to lock at the wheel. The 76-77 box is vague, sloppy, and has ~4 turns lock to lock. If you can find an original 76-77 EB 4 turn box, that is not worn out, it is an excellent steering box that will bring you many years of joy.

And with the advent of the "stronger" 76-79 F150 4x4x2 box, and the release of the superior feel Delphi 600 box, the old legacy Factory Saginaw boxes have stabilized in price, and are still out there.
I was not aware of the Delphi 600 box but would definitely consider it if I needed a new box. The description mentions a different input shaft gear spline size on the 600. Is that difficult to correct?

 

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Yes as I recall the box splines were different. I bought the U joint I needed from Borg and cut my old shaft and milled it into the D shape needed for the new U joint. It's been a WHILE ago so things might have changed....

Tim
 

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I need power, to hard turning this and I don’t have large wheels
Fortunately that is the easy part just get what is sometimes referenced above in #5 as the canned ham style pump/bracket/hoses etc from any of the Bronco vendors. And the 76-77 4 turn box is power steering box as described above in #7.
 
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There is gold in James' post, sift through it slowly.

The metric PS box fittings are usually M16 and M18 versions of what is known as an "O-Ring Bump" fitting. Can buy AN/JIC adapters if you're more of a DIY type, or hoses if not. Some hydraulics shops can make custom hoses as well.
 

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I need power, to hard turning this and I don’t have large wheels
The “stock four turn box“ IS the power steering box being discussed.
Your manual Steering box just that, and is a six turn box and was pre-power steering.
Broncos were available both in power and manual after’73, for some of the years at least.
 
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bowhunter1331

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The “stock four turn box“ IS the power steering box being discussed.
Your manual Steering box just that, and is a six turn box and was pre-power steering.
Broncos were available both in power and manual after’73, for some of the years at least.
Mine is a 69 so no power.
I would love a factory one to keep it nostalgic
 

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Yes of course there is. The 1973-1977 Bronco power steering box is native to the application.

It is a derivation of the Saginaw 800 series Gearbox that is used in every GM steering box used in the late 60's thru the 90's. The difference in the gearbox is the mounting housing. If you look at your manual box, you can see that the pitman arm is located OUTBOARD of the frame rail. This is unusual, since most frames are wider, and the pitman arm is located inboard.

There are a number of various steering boxes used with an outboard sector shaft. The 76-79 F150 4x4 box, the IH Scout 2 box, and the Nissan X-terra boxes are all outboard as well. The Jeep wrangler JK steering box is an inboard sector box, but if you source one from a Mail Jeep, (RHD) you can use the passenger side inboard box as a driver's side outboard box. All of the steering boxes that are not Early Bronco require some kind of modification for mounting since the holes are wrong. And some kind of input shaft mod. And some kind of steering hoses.

After 30 years of successful implementation, the Saginaw 800 series gearbox was re-designed for the 1999 Jeep Grand Wagoneer. This new box is called the Delphi 670 gearbox. The control valve design was improved, and the box was successfully used in the Jeep, and some GM SUV's. It is more compact, strong, and steers better. The aftermarket realized the potential of the new Delphi 670 for retrofit into many different classics, and collaborated with Delphi to make housings to fit. This "new" configuration is called the "Delphi 600" box. That has become the "go to" replacement as it bolts to the bronco frame, and fits within the factory space.

Unfortunately, there are two generations of factory steering box for the Early Bronco. And for 40 years, they were coveted, swapped, sold, and cores were unavailable. So supply shrank, and cost went up. The year split is 1975 to 1976. The 73-75 boxes are vague, sloppy, and have ~6 turns lock to lock at the wheel. The 76-77 box is vague, sloppy, and has ~4 turns lock to lock. If you can find an original 76-77 EB 4 turn box, that is not worn out, it is an excellent steering box that will bring you many years of joy.

And with the advent of the "stronger" 76-79 F150 4x4x2 box, and the release of the superior feel Delphi 600 box, the old legacy Factory Saginaw boxes have stabilized in price, and are still out there.
Thanks for the great technical history explanation, James. As always. I've often wondered about those details. Shortly after I bought my bone-stock 1970 thirty years ago some long-forgotten soul pointed me to a 1977 power steering box that I bought, installed, got power steering etc. Worked ok but then I heard about some failures, and about the same time the 4x4x2 box. I put the OEM box on eBay and sold it for so much that I was able to buy (scrounge, more like) all the parts for two 4x4x2 boxes plus a bunch of extra parts. 4x4x2 box #1 is still working and given my age and how much I drive my Bronco these days #2 will probably never be pressed into service.

Anyway. Thanks again. Love the tech history lessons.
 
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