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Thoughts on Shorty Headers

danny

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I have been looking at Sanderson shorty headers . I have a set on my 88 Grand Wagoneer. They are well built but come with a flat plate for collector mounting. Do you guys think the Drakes with ball socket is better ? The Sanderson look shorter . Any input on this ? I am open to any other that would work well with a 2 in 1 single exhaust system .
 
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Broncobowsher

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Ball and socket over flat plate any day

My thoughts of shorties. They didn't really exist until the 80's. When people started hopping up the fox body mustangs when they were new, they were suddenly a thing. Ford came out with a factory tubular manifolds that were short, a factory shorty header. But the shorty part was a manufacturing feature, not performance. The aftermarket go ahold of this and made higher flow shorties that bolted in place of the stock shorties. The stockers were more designed for fast and easy assembly line work. While better flowing than the cast iron logs that existed before, and a lot lighter as well. But why shorties? Did they perform better than long tube? No, they were a bolt on that didn't require modifying the exhaust. Namely the factory cats that many people still needed in order to pass smog checks and keep the car registered on the road. Aftermarket high flow cats just didn't exist. This was the world of bolt on performance parts. So the factory saw gains with shorty headers, the aftermarket claimed greater gains with there shorties. And they bolted right up with no other modifications needed. Boom! The shorty header is now common place. Long tube perform better, any real performance built engine runs a long tube. But shorties were the hot thing and everyone thinks of them as a performance part. While they do perform better than a log manifold, you are not getting everything you could. But the shorty does also have the benifit in the Bronco world of being a smaller package, so easier to install. But you still need custom exhaust to use them. Unlike the fox body mustangs, the modern shorty header is not an identical drop in for the factory manifold. Which negates the benifit of the original shorty header. But I guess it is still better than a log manifold.
 

badandy73

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Check out the WH/ JBA's, I've been happy with mine.

Agree with Broncobowsher on the ball/ socket design being preferred over the 3-bolt collector style.
 
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Ball and socket over flat plate any day

My thoughts of shorties. They didn't really exist until the 80's. When people started hopping up the fox body mustangs when they were new, they were suddenly a thing. Ford came out with a factory tubular manifolds that were short, a factory shorty header. But the shorty part was a manufacturing feature, not performance. The aftermarket go ahold of this and made higher flow shorties that bolted in place of the stock shorties. The stockers were more designed for fast and easy assembly line work. While better flowing than the cast iron logs that existed before, and a lot lighter as well. But why shorties? Did they perform better than long tube? No, they were a bolt on that didn't require modifying the exhaust. Namely the factory cats that many people still needed in order to pass smog checks and keep the car registered on the road. Aftermarket high flow cats just didn't exist. This was the world of bolt on performance parts. So the factory saw gains with shorty headers, the aftermarket claimed greater gains with there shorties. And they bolted right up with no other modifications needed. Boom! The shorty header is now common place. Long tube perform better, any real performance built engine runs a long tube. But shorties were the hot thing and everyone thinks of them as a performance part. While they do perform better than a log manifold, you are not getting everything you could. But the shorty does also have the benifit in the Bronco world of being a smaller package, so easier to install. But you still need custom exhaust to use them. Unlike the fox body mustangs, the modern shorty header is not an identical drop in for the factory manifold. Which negates the benifit of the original shorty header. But I guess it is still better than a log manifold.
I agree with you on the concept of short headers . I’ve owned two 5.0 coupe mustangs , my 1993 was favorite , I bought it like new no mods in 1995 with a 5 speed . One of the funnest cars ever owned. I have been running Hooker long tube or they may be actually 3/4 length headers on this 68 Bronco since 2005 . The headers are still in great shape but I am wanting to try a single 2 in 1 system. My 289 is a strong runner .06 over pistons , ported 1970 351 mustang heads , RV cam with roller rockers, edelbrock performer 289 intake with quadrajet and electronic ignition . Oh yea and putting in a new AX 15 now .
 

ZOSO

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After years of nothing but long tubes I went with BC shorties. Fit the best with a 351 vs others that require cutting the passenger inner fender. Also made routing exhaust a lot easier to keep it tucked high n tight.
 

okorangebrnco

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Only negative on the Drake's is the collector tend to come loose every so often, at least on mine. I removed old Duff long tubes so I could package my exhaust better and go with a 2 into 1. No complaints and no major "power" differences.
 

bronco italiano

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-Sanderson's are beautiful and every detail done. They are inside/our thermal barrier coated, as most companies only do exterior (and it matters).
-Sanderson can do a v-band clamp, just call them.
 

CBC619

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x4 on the ball & Socket. I also have the WH/JBA shorty headers on my 331 stroker with the BC Broncos Magnaflow 2 into 1 exhaust. Easy to drop in bolt up and go, sounds great performs well.
 

bronco italiano

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Wish I knew that before I bought mine..... :(

Tim
Sorry to hear.
I only do: Slip, V-band, or ball flange.
-I have slip on my EB and sons Formula, V-band on my buddy's EB, and ball for the FE
I am done with the flat flange leaks
 

DirtDonk

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When Danny first posted this, I thought maybe he was mistaking a flat flange for a V band clamp ring. But from all the descriptions, it sounds like even Sanderson can still be had with old technology from the 40s.
Probably before that!

All the flat flange has going for it is simplicity and cost. And it doesn’t even have simplicity, since a ball and socket an about as simple as you get. And pretty fool-proof, unless you’re trying to do such an extreme acute angle that nothing would seal.
But if there is an option for a V band or a ball socket, Either one would work better. The V-band being the more modern and effectively repeatable design, however.
Theoretically, at least, no more rusted bolts to contend with.
 
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pcf_mark

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I have the Hedman ball and socket for Broncos. Long tubes for torque, coated for long life. Fit great, after 14 years on my truck they are starting to get some rust spots and coating failure but wow did I get my moneys' worth. After many, many time taking the exhaust on and off they are still leak free. I have no clearance issues with Explorer serp, factory P/S and C4. When I added 4R70W they needed to be dented a bit on one side.
 
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I ended up Buying the Wild Horses Shorty Headers . I will build my own 2 into 1 exhaust system from that . When I get finished with the paint and one small weld repair on the floor board I will show it all off. I really want to get a muffler that will not be loud or drone . Ive been running the Magna flow dual mufflers for many years , most likely will try to find the longest one they make . Thank you for all the input on Header tech. You people are great help.
 

Broncobowsher

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V-band is really nice. Usually come in stainless steal. That stainless welds to regular exhaust tubing with a regular MIG welder just fine.
 

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Sanderson FC3
 

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I ended up Buying the Wild Horses Shorty Headers . I will build my own 2 into 1 exhaust system from that . When I get finished with the paint and one small weld repair on the floor board I will show it all off. I really want to get a muffler that will not be loud or drone . Ive been running the Magna flow dual mufflers for many years , most likely will try to find the longest one they make . Thank you for all the input on Header tech. You people are great help.

never had a MF that didn't drone to an extent. i switched to borla and have never gone back
 
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