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Another rear axle question

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What was the reasoning for the four different sets of rear axles? Would all six cylinder Broncos come with the small bearing axles or does it matter? The reason I'm asking is that I've got a bearing going out on my 69 at my summer place and I failed to check what I have before leaving yesterday. I'd like to order an axle set to install next week when I go back up. I'm almost positive that nothing has been changed over the years, but I might be better off ordering after verifying which axles I have.
 

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There were big and small bearing used on the 6cyl. Have a pic of your warranty plate by chance? Assuming it's the original axle still.
 
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I don't have pictures. I know what to look for but the Bronco is 3 hours away and I spaced it by not checking to see what I have before I left. It seems that there was no rhyme or reason for what axle went with what build, especially 66-75. Just grabbed whatever was on the shelf that day.
 

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Agree no reason for what axle other than maybe gvw package, but who knows, like stated what was available that day
 

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There is a method to the madness.
Small bearing was used on the low GVW package.
When the high GVW package was optioned, you step up to the large bearing axle. You also got bigger brakes on the rear axle.

That covers the two possible options for a bearing on a stock '69

You might be able to figure it out by checking the vehicle title or registration if the GVW is listed. If not you need to see the vehicle in person confirm.

All this is based on the axle being stock and never replaced. A lot have been.

At worst, get both and make sure you get them from a source that will accept returns.
 

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Only if it's a swapped axle you might run into potential flange/bearing offset issues.
As said, for '69 there were only two possibilities. Small light duty and large heavy duty.

The variation for the '74/'75 and '76/'77 mostly involved brake design, and therefor axle flange, or bearing offset (wording depending on who you're talking to) so that the drums fit correctly over the backing plate and shoes. But still with only the two bearing sizes.

With any luck, yours is still the original '69 and you only have to verify bearing and/or brake size.

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So I verified that I've got the large bearing 11" drum axles. I've got everything to make the repair except for the torque specs on the bearing retainer nuts. I find 35 ft/lbs for the small bearing 3/8" bolts, but no values for the large bearing 1/2" bolts. Any ideas? Using the search function I found 50-70 ft/lbs for the large bearing. That sounds about right.
 
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40 ft/lb is what I'll go with, thanks. Most values I found were for the small bearing axles. Were those more common?
 

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Possibly, but there are enough large bearing models to know that even if there were more small bearings sold, the big bearings were not rare by any stretch. And I believe all full-size Broncos and most full-size trucks had big bearing 9" setups.

For the torque, it's good you asked because some of the books are wrong. In the Hayne's book for example (full of typos!) it actually lists 60lbs as the rating for all with a 9" rear. But that's obviously a misprint since while that's fine for a 1/2" bolt that's right at the limit of the small bolts and way beyond their official ratings.
I could not find an official rating in the Chiltons' book, but it would be great if someone who has a Ford manual can find the specification and let us know.
In the generic torque tables provided in the aftermarket manuals, a Grade-8 1/2 bolt can go to 92lbs without trouble. Even a Grade-5 is rated at 60lbs.
I've used 60lbs as my go-to for a long time now (because I assumed they were grade 8's!) but have also used 45lbs as the generic without any trouble. But always with locking nuts like the factory used.
Basically the 40lbs that is listed by the companies and that the others here are recommending sounds like a good plan.

For those with 3/8" bolts, I'd probably limit that to no more than 30-35lbs.

Just make sure that your locking nuts are still locking. Don't want any of them backing off. Not as likely in an application like this of course, but they're locking nuts for a reason and you want to keep them that way. So if yours go on too easily and will no longer lock themselves in place wherever they are, replace them with new nuts.

As a comparison I've had bad lock nuts on axles that stayed tight for a long time until they were replaced. While the ones on the leaf springs would loosen up regularly no matter how tight I torqued them.
So it's probably a good practice to make sure ALL your locking nuts still lock.

Paul
 

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40 ft/lb is what I'll go with, thanks. Most values I found were for the small bearing axles. Were those more common?


Not sure I've ever seen any stats on large versus small. I'm looking at vins and warranty plates daily and have been for the last couple years. There's alot of large bearing out there but way more small bearing imo. It's pretty rare to see a u152, u142 or u132. Most are u150 or u151. Hardly ever come across u153. All that said, every 76 and 77 came with a large bearing.
 

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My '74 U152 has the large bearing "Torino" rear end that uses 3/8ths bolts.
 

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My '74 U152 has the large bearing "Torino" rear end that uses 3/8ths bolts.
Its been swapped. The 4900 gvw required the HD axle. With the 4500 you could get either the MD or HD axle.

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