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Anyone heard of this restoration shop in Columbus?

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What we are down on is fly-by-night outfits that don't know or don't care how to do it right and are only in it for the quick buck.
By putting stuff from the wrong years on and calling them original or restored this shop qualifies.

When I see something listed as a '66, I am assuming that is what the title says. I am one that is not that concerned with small details like the eyebrow grill and some of the other details like side markers that would make something technically incorrect from a factory original in a certain year, but that is just me. I think their work looks pretty damn good, and I'm sure they would do a fine job on a technically accurate restoration as well. Just my .02 cents.
 

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When I see something listed as a '66, I am assuming that is what the title says. I am one that is not that concerned with small details like the eyebrow grill and some of the other details like side markers that would make something technically incorrect from a factory original in a certain year, but that is just me. I think their work looks pretty damn good, and I'm sure they would do a fine job on a technically accurate restoration as well. Just my .02 cents.

The point is that when they charge that kind of money it should be technically correct for that year.

If they cut corners on that what are they doing that you can't see?
 

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Some of the EB's look nice...some not so much and way over priced.

Nothing I saw on their website could hold a candle to Nickstricks. If I were to spend that kind of money at a shop, it would be with Nick in a heartbeat!
 

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The point is that when they charge that kind of money it should be technically correct for that year.

If they cut corners on that what are they doing that you can't see?

I didn't view it as cutting corners as much as building what the customer wanted. I live a few hours away, I'm going to try to check the place out next time I am in Columbus.
 

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The point is that when they charge that kind of money it should be technically correct for that year.

If they cut corners on that what are they doing that you can't see?

Why technically correct ?
I wouldn't care where the marker lights are, or of it had em at all.
 

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Why technically correct ?
I wouldn't care where the marker lights are, or of it had em at all.

If they are selling these as restored, which the article mentions several times (and not once do they say custom) then it should have the correct parts for that year rather than being a mutt or franken-Bronco.

Say custom.
Say resto-rod.
But don't misrepresent it as restored.

The article claims they are the biggest restorer, not the biggest custom shop.
 
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I have been to the shop and know the owner. He is not selling these to Bronco guys. His client's are high dollar people who make more money than all all of us put together. They are buying these because they want to be the one on block with the coolest 4x4. These people do not have a clue about the Bronco and the differences between a 68 and 69. They are not willing to wait 9 months for the truck. They have the cash and want it now. He has found a nice niche market and is doing pretty good.

He is not doing this to restore Bronco's He is doing this to make money. I am a true Bronco Guy and love original restorations, but if I could sell 1 to 2 90K Broncos once a month a I think I would be doing the same thing. Yeah we all know the profit margin on these sales, but there are about 8 to 10 employees and cranking out 2 frame off's in a month is pretty impressive.
 

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If you can do it and make big bucks doing it then more power to you. People who have that kind of money to spend on a good looking toy aren't purists and could care less about what you think. Here's a guy who started and is apparently running a successful small business so bully for him. Some of you should try it.
 

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I have been to the shop and know the owner. He is not selling these to Bronco guys. His client's are high dollar people who make more money than all all of us put together. They are buying these because they want to be the one on block with the coolest 4x4. These people do not have a clue about the Bronco and the differences between a 68 and 69. They are not willing to wait 9 months for the truck. They have the cash and want it now. He has found a nice niche market and is doing pretty good.

He is not doing this to restore Bronco's He is doing this to make money. I am a true Bronco Guy and love original restorations, but if I could sell 1 to 2 90K Broncos once a month a I think I would be doing the same thing. Yeah we all know the profit margin on these sales, but there are about 8 to 10 employees and cranking out 2 frame off's in a month is pretty impressive.

That is what I was trying to say, you said better.
 

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He is not doing this to restore Bronco's He is doing this to make money. I am a true Bronco Guy and love original restorations, but if I could sell 1 to 2 90K Broncos once a month a I think I would be doing the same thing. Yeah we all know the profit margin on these sales, but there are about 8 to 10 employees and cranking out 2 frame off's in a month is pretty impressive.

We've seen a few of his type of clients come and go here. The type that buys the new Ferrari because it's the latest & greatest and then 3 months later wants something else. Difference here is they're not getting a vintage anything and I think there's going to be some seriously disappointed customers pushing their "restored" Bronco's across the auction block only to find that the resale value is 60% of what period correct rigs are going for. Resto-mods rarely bring the coin that period correct do. #noreturnoninvestmenthere
 

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We've seen a few of his type of clients come and go here. The type that buys the new Ferrari because it's the latest & greatest and then 3 months later wants something else. Difference here is they're not getting a vintage anything and I think there's going to be some seriously disappointed customers pushing their "restored" Bronco's across the auction block only to find that the resale value is 60% of what period correct rigs are going for. Resto-mods rarely bring the coin that period correct do. #noreturnoninvestmenthere

The old saying "It's worth what someone will pay for it" definitely applies here.
 
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they are never going to sell them because their 16 yr old kid is going to wrap it around a pole or blow it up doing donuts at the country club high school.
 

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I have to disagree with Ted.

Restomod rigs are what brings the money. Typical bone stock survivor or restored originals rarely go for what many nice (and in some cases half ass 10-20 footer) restomods bring.

We own and have built both and have watched this closely over the years. Only in recent years has true stockers started to pull near the money that your typical nicely done 33-35" cut street modified can bring.

Of course there are some rare and unique stand outs, but for your typical apples to apples comparison of similar quality of builds of typical Broncos, I still think the street mods pull more $, and the builds from places like this guy, NixTrix, Icon, Velocity and half a dozen or more full time builders has evidence that supports this, sale after sale, year after year.

I also agree with Joe. This guy in Ohio could likely care less about the typical "Bronco guy" or a forum such as this, which is why he has been "under the radar". Few, if any of us are his buyers, and for him to be active here is a waste of his time. IMO, more power to him and others like Jonathan Ward at Icon for finding a niche and filling it while doing something they seem to enjoy to make a good honest living. Like I often say, just because you see it for sale on the internet, does not mean it was intended for you.

It often seems like there are too many haters in the Bronco world who are offended to see anyone else make a dime. Assuming the guys work is good quality, I'm all for it. Now if it turns out that his builds are true crap with hidden problems coated in a slick paint job, than that is another story, but I will give him and others the benefit of the doubt until it is proven otherwise.

As for the symantics of restoration versus resto-mod, really? I think it is apparant when we see it lifted, cut, etc. that is is not "factory original".

Honestly, my dad and I were doing some high end authentic frame off restorations back before most were even doing full high dollar custom builds that are common today, and I do not get my underwear in a bunch over the casual misuse of the term. Car guys iniside and outside of the Bronco world thought we were nuts for some of the details and expense to try to get it right. Unless something is specifially portrayed as being original, rare, etc. in order to jack up the value when it is not actually as represented, what is the big deal? The general public does not diferentiate between restored and resto-mod.

As for return on investment, I highly doubt many of the clients of this shop and similar are too worried with toys in this price range if they enjoy it for a while and loose $20K on it. Hell, I just watched an episode of "How Its Made" last night where they were making custom high end smart phones in England. Vertu is the company, Google them. $5000, $35,000 for standard models with some customs well over $100,000. The operation was amazingly large for what I would have thought would have been such a small market. What do you think the return on investment is for a 3-5 year old used smartphone?

Another thought on resale that someone on here pointed out in an Icon related discussion a year or two ago, Jonathan has likely established his brand well enough in the big $ circles that the fact that it is an Icon built rig will likely help retain more of its resale value than if it were an eaually nice custom Bronco built by any of us on here. This guy in Ohio who also has advertised in the DuPont Registry like Icon used to regularly do (full two page ads which had to cost beaucup $ I might add) might also be establishing the same type of following among the ultra wealthy, celebrities and athletes.
 
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Couple of points there Drew, watch an auction and see a $100,000 built whatever go for 40% of the build cost vs a period correct or the holy grail original paint bring more cash. Yes maybe years ago resto-mods were the rage but I was referring to the present, not back in the day. Yes a lot of people are paying big money for resto-mods but those are commissioned builds not for sale by owner.

You are correct about the general public not worrying about resto-mods vs period correct but you don't see the people of Walmart shelling out 90k for a mall crawler either.

I'm not trying to say that one is better than the other, mines a resto-mod but I'd love a period correct. Could I buy the service station Bronco for $30k?
 

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Couple of points there Drew, watch an auction and see a $100,000 built whatever go for 40% of the build cost vs a period correct or the holy grail original paint bring more cash. Yes maybe years ago resto-mods were the rage but I was referring to the present, not back in the day. Yes a lot of people are paying big money for resto-mods but those are commissioned builds not for sale by owner.

You are correct about the general public not worrying about resto-mods vs period correct but you don't see the people of Walmart shelling out 90k for a mall crawler either.

I'm not trying to say that one is better than the other, mines a resto-mod but I'd love a period correct. Could I buy the service station Bronco for $30k?

I doubt if most of the athletes and celebs who buy a 77 Bronco from one of these builders really cares that they used a early style quarter panel with gas caps instead of doors since it is not reproduced. Or that he might have taken some artistic licence and used the smaller clear turn signal lense and grille since it is a cleander look than the after thought looking large yellow lenses on goofy rubber pads.

How many period correct, original syle (restored or survivor) Broncos do your know of that have sold for more than $50K? I can think of one off hand, GasPigs 66 U13, and the Baja that was just on ebay and maybe a few other Baja's if we want to include them in there as well. The Bronco world is still not like where documented original and rare optioned Corvettes, Hemi Cudas, Mustangs and others bring crazy money. Actually, I watched what appeared to be several high quality restomods go through BJ this year at what I thought was good money for an auction (i.e 50's F100 for $150K, early Vette and Mustang for $120-150K+).

There are dozens and dozens (actually likely hundreds) of restomod Broncos which have sold for over $50K now. In fact, I doubt if any of the major builders even start on any with less than a $60K-70K+ budget to work with. There's actually been many in excess of $100K, and a few others than Icon that I am aware of in excess of $150K, and one that is expected to possibly break $200K by the time it is done. The black one at the Roundup last year with the Coyote engine was a $150K build by a guy local to me.

True, there are some high quality vehicles that are "well bought" at auction that could not some close to being reproduced for what they sell for.

But I'm not talking Barret Jackson auction block sales. From most people I have talked to who have personally attended, most of the Broncos that cross the block at BJ, Mecum and the like and the ones I saw at at Auburn and Carlisle look good for the cameras, but are not high quality by my standards or those who I know who have seen the others. Hyghlander (Eric) just told me this past weekend that the Bronco he saw at BJ Palm Beach that went for $40-45K were no where near the build quality of one we had at All-Ford this past weekend for sale.

IMO, private sales is usually where the real money is, whether it be on a commisioned build, or resale.

I love both original and modified as well, and we have often wondered what the true market value is on all of ours. Honestly, I think to the average buyer who is not a serious Bronco person (which right there cuts down on many with serious $ to spend), a resto mod like many of these shops are turning out will bring more $ than my dad's first week production, 11,000 actual mile, AACA Grand National award winning 66 U13 or my mom's AACA Senior award (soon to be GN) 67 U14, and even the Balloon Chaser Ambulance for many buyers who do not understand it's history or significance.

I hope that when we decide to sell any of these that we can find the right combination of someone who sees them for what we believe makes them special and is willing to pay for them.

No, you could not buy the half cab for $30K, there is more in parts and materials in it than that with no labor added in at all as I am sure you realize. But even though it has less than 20 miles since we finished it and is still "new", I really do not think I could get $75K out of it which is what the builds start at for many of these restomods. And to be honest, I would put the attention to detail and build quality of my mom's U14 up against any other period correct original EB.

From the little I have followed the guy in Ohio, he seems to build many/most of his and them offer them up for sale, not all built to customer specs as true customs like Krawler's Edge and some other do.

This makes sense actually. He can then build them the way he wants to so they are generally appealing (no odd ball requests that add time to complexity to the build which often is not fully billed for). This would also standardize on many of the parts he stocks and uses and let him know what is needed to make them all work together since we all know hardly any of this stuff works as it should without some tweaking!

The bottom line is that there is apparantly WAY more people out there with WAY more money than I am used to being around, and I hope when it comes time to sell, I can meet one of them who can also appreciate the Bronco for what it is.
 
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Well, there's a short story. Seems like we've strayed from the point I made to your builds, experience and current and past values, none of which I question. My original point is that some of these people are going to be disappointed. I'm actually shocked that you find using terms like restored and original on a what is clearly a custom build is ok with you when I've heard you talk about finding the right fastener and making sure it had the right marking for a "restoration".

At the end of the day they're all great and bring joy (and a bit of frustration) to those who own them. I just think that the clientele who they market to may be disappointed when they find out that their restored Bronco is not close to period correct. Sort of like the guy who buys a rare old Colt rifle and takes it to be appraised and finds out that it's worth less than they paid because the barrel was shortened, it's been re-blued and artificially aged and has the incorrect stock for that model.
 

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Well, there's a short story. Seems like we've strayed from the point I made to your builds, experience and current and past values, none of which I question. My original point is that some of these people are going to be disappointed. I'm actually shocked that you find using terms like restored and original on a what is clearly a custom build is ok with you when I've heard you talk about finding the right fastener and making sure it had the right marking for a "restoration".

At the end of the day they're all great and bring joy (and a bit of frustration) to those who own them. I just think that the clientele who they market to may be disappointed when they find out that their restored Bronco is not close to period correct. Sort of like the guy who buys a rare old Colt rifle and takes it to be appraised and finds out that it's worth less than they paid because the barrel was shortened, it's been re-blued and artificially aged and has the incorrect stock for that model.
As most of you should know by now, brevity is my speciality!

If they care about originality, they should do their due diligence as buyers. I'd worry less about originality on these new builders that are looking up and more on the quality of workmanship.

I only strayed because we have built some of more original restored Broncos that I am aware of, and even though I'd like to agree with you that original restorations bring more money, I can not because that is not what I see time and time again.

If that was your point and if I'm wrong on that, I'd love to see some other examples if $50K+ originals being sold.
 

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First, they are referred to as a restoration shop not a custom builder.

Second, they are not talking about $50,000 Broncos, they are $100,000 Broncos.

So with the original question in mind; they are cashing in on the current fad and seem to be preying on the ignorant.

$100,000 for a mutt that half of us here could put together with left-over parts?
They charge a pure-bred price for a mongrel.
 

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ALL of his trucks advertised on his website are customer builds and are all SOLD! He told me that this is how he attracts future customers the show interest, are told awww, sorry that one is sold but we can build you one. He seemed like a nice guy until the deal fell through. He was the high eBay bidder and backed out of a $26,000 deal. It's ok, he let me keep the $500 deposit. lol
 
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