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Are toms bronco parts springs trash? Has anyone installed theese lately???

blazinchuck

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geez...progressive rate coils do just what your asking about! my cage 3.5"coils are almost 2.5" longer than WH's 5.5" coils UNINSTALLED! when they are installed the top 5 coils sit on each other, then the coils begin to space out. this is how they are designed. if you dont like that look or ride...go get a stiffer coil that is not progressive.
 

SpareParts

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The top section of coils are for the drop out when your suspension travels. The lower section of coils are what you ride on, just like having a short set of springs that are not attached to anything up to do they won't limit travel.

I have the 5.5 Cage coils and mine flex real well, on road manners are good too. I think part of it is due to the top coils touching, you don't feel a 20" long spring moving.

Here's a picture of mine flexing, what part don't work? Lol

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1sicbronconut

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Lots of cast and forged parts are now made overseas, I think it has a lot to do with the EPA?? As a Ford tech I can tell you that I hang lots of Ford replacement part on cars/trucks that are made overseas, most driveshafts come out of China and yes it makes me sick also. :cry:
 

mcdobson

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One of our biggest exports to China and India is steel. Go to a big port, you will see container after container of scrap steel headed over seas.
That being said, I would still prefer an American made product.
 

scottshelley

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You know that it all just comes down to cost. I deal with it all the time. I am a General Contractor and have been in business for more than 20 years. If you want a better product you will have to pay for it. When I buy tools I buy good quality tools. They last for 20 years. I could have payed half the price for some homeowner tool and watched it break in a month. Over and over I see people in my work who think that for some reason they are going to get the same quality that I provide them with by paying 50% less to somebody who is going to provide less experienced and cheaper labor, etc. Same with China and India. They mass produce products using cheap labor and inferior materials and sell it for less than we can produce it here. That said, I know that when it comes time to buy something for the Bronco I compare Tom's, WH etc. The decision usually comes down to price and the customer service I receive. In fact, I just bought a 2.5" lift from Tom's and have had no problems so far. I did have a problem with the proportioning valve on their front disc it. I called them and they sent one out the same day. With customer service like that I feel really comfortable dealing with them. I will be keeping and eye on my front Springs after reading this, with confidence that if I am not satisfied that Tom's will make good on them.
 

Buldozer

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The top section of coils are for the drop out when your suspension travels. The lower section of coils are what you ride on

Sounds like the user not understanding the product to me....my Duff progressive coils are exactly the same and they flex and ride great....;)
 

HGM

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Sounds like the user not understanding the product to me....my Duff progressive coils are exactly the same and they flex and ride great....;)

This is interesting.. Are you guys saying that the progressive rate springs should have the soft portion of coils resting on eachother in the collapsed position when not extended?? The noise must be obnoxious, no??.. Seriously asking, I'm not familliar with them..
 

jw0747

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yep...I definitely prefer American parts made by good Americans who drink and smoke dope during lunch.

http://www.classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196015

during the 60s we had the same feelings about items MADE IN JAPAN which were being seen often. it was shortly after WWII and we hated stuff made by the Japs. Japanese products are crap was the prevailing attitude. now 50 yrs later the quality of Japanese products is never discussed especially concerning electronics. Only time will tell about India and China. Products are going overseas because American products have priced themselves out of the competitive market.
 

half cab

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yep...I definitely prefer American parts made by good Americans who drink and smoke dope during lunch.

http://www.classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196015

during the 60s we had the same feelings about items MADE IN JAPAN which were being seen often. it was shortly after WWII and we hated stuff made by the Japs. Japanese products are crap was the prevailing attitude. now 50 yrs later the quality of Japanese products is never discussed especially concerning electronics. Only time will tell about India and China. Products are going overseas because American products have priced themselves out of the competitive market.

Yea they was even a song or two about the MADE IN JAPAN thang.It was on the bottom of everthing back in the 60's.Now look at'em they just opened a TOYOTA plant about 20 miles from me.Man how time can change things up.The guys comin home from WW2 in that area would never have believed it!!
 

ntsqd

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Coil springs aren't rocket surgery. They're a torsion bar wound into a coil. Anyone should be able to find the formula used to predict the spring rate with a simple net search. Progressive springs are simply a method of shortening the length of that torsion bar to increase it's spring rate as the suspension compresses. Rather than promoting net hysteria and mis-information a little research would yield the answers.

...... Products are going overseas because American products have priced themselves out of the competitive market.
It's a bit more complicated than that. As has been mentioned, consumers have driven production overseas in their never ending quest for the lowest price. Vendors have simply responded to that because for some odd reason they want to stay in business. Others have said it before him, but the quote that I know of is from Keith Bontrager: "You can have Fast, Inexpensive, and Quality; Pick any two."

So on one hand we have folks crying because their job at the spring factory was just lost to over seas, but on the other hand we have those same folks crying that a 39" BFG Comp Krawler should not cost $600. Can't have it both ways. Americans have had it too good for too long, we think that's how it's supposed to be. Time to want less and expect to pay more for it.
 
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SpareParts

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This is interesting.. Are you guys saying that the progressive rate springs should have the soft portion of coils resting on eachother in the collapsed position when not extended?? The noise must be obnoxious, no??.. Seriously asking, I'm not familliar with them..


I don't hear mine at all, they are not sitting on top of each other at rest but not far from it. I the entire spring was close then you would hear them bottom out
against each other but it's not. When the first row touch the movement is transferred to the next row and so on.

That's my take on them at least!
 

sprdv1

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Tom's is 1st rate in my book. Glad they worked it out for you.
 

stlo

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i have duff springs and they set close but dont touch, ive had them for prolly 10 yrs now and they ride just as well as when i bought them....go out and see if you can stick a sheet of notebook paper in between each top wrap, if you can then your good, i dont think they are supposed to be setting on one another but dam close....duff's told me to do the paper trick yrs ago,
 
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delconick

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toms customer service is def first class i will give them that!

you could not fit a sheet of paper between the first 7 wraps.
 

SpareParts

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i have duff springs and they set close but dont touch, ive had them for prolly 10 yrs now and they ride just as well as when i bought them....go out and see if you can stick a sheet of notebook paper in between each top wrap, if you can then your good, i dont think they are supposed to be setting on one another but dam close....duff's told me to do the paper trick yrs ago,

I'm scared to do it with mine, it's a little on the heavy side. %)
 
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delconick

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america is going to feel this pain of economic slowdown for years to come because of so many peoples ignorance about how important it is to buy american and keep your neighbors working. take a look at americas trade relations with other countries and you will see the ones that it is ok to support. the problem with countries like india and china they dont buy nearly as much from us as we do from them, that cant go on forever we will go broke!

the sad part is people like me who spend the extra time and money to buy american are just as venerable to a bad economy as people who dont care enough to look at a label for 5 seconds or boycott a company who promotes out sourcing. (i do not and will not shop at walmart for that reason) i understand that you can not buy everything american (if another country invents a nice product i would want it too) but when an american company such as apple has their products made over seas while having more cash on their books then the U.S. as a country im sorry but real americans should step up and say something.

the more you help your neighbor the more they will help you. i love my country, you should too.
 

stlo

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Spareparts yours worked just fine in hot springs...lol.....sorry i couldnt make it to your event this month but work got in the way......get on duff's site they have a good low down on how the whole progressive thing works.....the other venders that dont sell progressive coils have a diff point of view but for me i have had both and i like the ride of the progressives my self......just my two 02
 
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