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Engine won't turn over

miflinbronco

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Let me introduce myself. I'm the newest village idiot apparently. Anyway, got a 74 auto. Just installed new centech harness w/ign sw adapter, new starter relay/sole., new battery. Also, have MSD distributor (3 wires-orange & red to coil, black to grd.), MSD Blaster 3 coil, and a 2 wire, ministarter (not sure of brand). Hook up to relay is: bat+, starter (4 ga. black wire), fused link from red batt wire (which centech should be on other large post), and yellow BT wire from from regulator on left, large post. Purple "Start" wire on S term. White I wire on I term. Small (14 ga.) from starter on right side large post. Turn the ign. and all I hear is a single click which sounds like the starter is trying to engage. Also, will not turn over by jumping S term to + post on batt. Finally, I have the NSS bypassed for now.

Aside from ignorance, any thoughts on my problem? Thanks in advance. I've read many posts on here and have probably read the solution to my problem, but just don't realize it.
 

Justafordguy

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Do you have a battery cable from the negative side to the engine block and also a ground wire to the body?
 
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miflinbronco

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Yes. I'm sorry. I forgot to mention I have Bat- grounded to the engine block, the block to the frame, the frame to the body, and a grounding strap from the intake manifold to the firewall.
 

BroncinBrandon

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I just rewired my Datsun, same issue almost. Does yours click and lose power to everything? Or does it click and still have power? Mine turned out to be the neutral safety switch was grounding out.
 

noslo5o

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Did you wire the starter like this diagram from Toms Bronco Parts?

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miflinbronco

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Yes I did, eventually. Initially, I had the large starter cable on the right post and the small wire on the left post with the batt +. I am scared I fried the solenoid on the starter. Also, I have the starter relay with one large term on either side and two small term on the top.
 

DirtDonk

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Just installed new centech harness w/ign sw adapter, new starter relay/sole., new battery. Also, have MSD distributor (3 wires-orange & red to coil, black to grd.), MSD Blaster 3 coil, and a 2 wire, ministarter (not sure of brand).

Hook up to relay is:
bat+, starter (4 ga. black wire), fused link from red batt wire (which centech should be on other large post), and yellow BT wire from from regulator on left, large post.
Purple "Start" wire on S term.
White I wire on I term.
Small (14 ga.) from starter on right side large post.

Turn the ign. and all I hear is a single click which sounds like the starter is trying to engage. Also, will not turn over by jumping S term to + post on batt.
Finally, I have the NSS bypassed for now.

It sounds like you've got it wired correctly so far, be we need to determine where the click is coming from.
When you jump the "S" terminal to the battery, do you also get a click? If so, is it the fender mounted relay only, or can you hear it down at the starter?

Ignition wiring sounds interesting, but that won't normally have anything to do with the starting circuit. Is the relay/solenoid bolted to the body?
Do you have multiple terminals down on the starter that the small wire can go to? There's only one large terminal usually, but I've seen two, and even three blade type terminals for the small wires (depending on brand) so I was wondering about that.

good luck.

Paul
 
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miflinbronco

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When I jump the "S" term I get the same single click that sounds just like the starter trying to engage. My starter sole. is mounted to the fender well right in front of the batt. I got as far into the engine compartment as I could to listen. Still think it is the starter, but it is hard to tell. I put the red lead of my voltmeter on the larger term of the starter and the red lead on the small term of the starter. When I turned the ign to start, I only got a couple of volts on the meter. However, I don't really know if that matters. I am afraid I fried the starter mounted sole. when I had the thing hooked up wrong if that's even possible. Before I replaced the wiring harness, and it would start, the batt + and 4 ga starter wire were both hooked up to the large term on the right side of the fender mounted sole. The small wire was mounted to the large term on the left side of the sole. There were no wires on either of the small posts.
 

kaw550

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Do you know for sure that the starter is good? Did you try to bench test it?
 
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miflinbronco

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The voltmeter reads 12.5 volts across the batt terms. I have not bench tested the starter. I should have thought of that. In the morning, I will take it off and do just that. Thx for thought.
 

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if you have another vehicle try to jump start your Bronco and see what happens. or maybe you have a jump starter. still think it's a battery problem.
 

DirtDonk

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When I jump the "S" term I get the same single click that sounds just like the starter trying to engage.

That's correct. It's the fender mounted relay/solenoid that you're hearing click. It's at that point, that 12v is supposed to be sent to the starter.
If the voltage is dropping that much to the wires at the starter, if they check out good then your fender-mounted relay may be shot.


I put the red lead of my voltmeter on the larger term of the starter and the red lead on the small term of the starter. When I turned the ign to start, I only got a couple of volts on the meter. However, I don't really know if that matters.

Not only does it matter, it's HUGE!!! (did I say that loud enough?)
First off, you're supposed to have the full battery voltage to the larger post of the starter at all times. Period.
Voltage will naturally drop a bit during the drain that the starter causes, but not down to only 2v. Maybe 11.5 or so, but even then only if the starter is really pushing some hard-to-turn engine or has another issue.
From your previous description, it sounded like your positive battery cable and the cable down to the starter are sharing the same post on the relay. If that's so, you have a direct connection to the battery and so should have full voltage all the time. Since it sounds like you don't, then at least one of the cables is bad or not touching the other.
Pull them off and check. When in doubt, put new ones on. If they're already new, then check them anyway. Even to the point of trying a known-good cable scrounged from another rig temporarily.
If the cables check out good, then inspect/replace the relay. Those are about the only parts that I will just replace for the heck of it. If it's not the relay, then you have a good trail spare. If it's not the cables, then you have nice shiny new and good working ones to run, with a backup if it ever becomes necessary to give one to a friend. Because, after all, yours are always in good shape, so you'll never be that person that needs new ones. ;)

I am afraid I fried the starter mounted sole. when I had the thing hooked up wrong if that's even possible.

Well, it shouldn't be possible, you just never know these days. I don't think you're even getting enough power to do any damage. Keep looking and don't start buying new parts to throw at it. Whatever is causing this may be simpler than you think.


Before I replaced the wiring harness, and it would start, the batt + and 4 ga starter wire were both hooked up to the large term on the right side of the fender mounted sole. The small wire was mounted to the large term on the left side of the sole. There were no wires on either of the small posts.

Well, it won't start without at least the S wire hooked up. Purple on most aftermarket harnesses, or Red w/blue in Ford colors.
The way you had it hooked up is probably fine, since it probably doesn't matter which side of the solenoid (Ford calls it a relay when it's mounted to the fender by the way) the cables are on, as long as they're correctly oriented with regard to each other.

Try the above and see what happens.

Paul
 
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DirtDonk

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did you look at the diagram in noslo5o's post (#6) above?

Verify that your positive battery cable and the starter cable share the same large post.

Verify that the smaller Red wire that runs to the starter mounted solenoid is on the opposite large post.

Verify that your Purple (or Red w/blue) wire is on the S terminal. It probably is, since you're getting a click, but humor me. ;D

Verify that you've got a good cable from the fender mounted relay's large post (shared with the battery cable) down to the starter solenoid's large post.

Verify that you've got a good connection at the small Red wire from the fender mounted relay to the starter mounted solenoid's connector.

Verify that you have good voltage at the battery when the key is in START.
If your battery is shot (I think you said it's new though?) then the voltage will drop precipitously when you try to start it. Since you're only getting 2v at the solenoid, make sure it's not the battery that's dropping, rather than the wires or relay as I suggested.

You should have had full battery voltage to that smaller wire too, when you turned the key to START the last time you tested.
If you're not getting full voltage to the starter, then either your starter relay is bad there on the fender, or the wires are bad.
Money is on the relay probably, but check the battery too, as the others have suggested.

Paul
 
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miflinbronco

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Hello all. Well, it was the starter. Replaced it, cranked it. Thanks everyone for your help. I'm sure this won't be the last time.
 
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