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Exhuast to oil pan clearance

Jdgephar

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I am routing the driver's side exhaust over to the passenger side by routing it between the oil pan hump and the bellhousing. How close is too close to the oil pan? Any concern about the exhaust radiating heat to the pan, and consequently heating the oil?

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Yes and no.
It's a common practice and a very convenient spot to cross over. Keeping it as far away as possible without dropping below and exposing the exhaust to danger is the hoped for result, because if you drop it down too much some pans are then more difficult to drain the old from with the drain plug right there facing the rear. If your pan has the plug to the side, you're good to pretty much go.

In spite of the air gap however, I have always thought it would be a best practice to shield it somehow. It's close to the exhaust ports, so is still going to get very hot especially at higher speeds. Unlike the other end of the exhaust down by the fuel tank, which does not get near as hot.
So either a metal shield of some kind (which is awkward) or a header wrap or thermal barrier coating of some kind.

In spite of the downsides of wraps, I don't think that really applies here. It's just a short section of pipe, is easily replaced a few years down the road in case it decides to rust out under the wrap, and you can replace it and probably re-use the wrap and go about your business.

That's my take on it anyway. Most people don't do anything and do not seem to have trouble, but remember that most people don't drive their Broncos much anymore, and most don't have oil temperature gauges either. So may not get it hot enough to do damage, or do and never know about it.

So I say unless you're ceramic coating your exhaust tubes (which some of us actually do), wrap it.

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I recall some factory pans (early 80's F150?) that had a factory exhaust crossover tucked into the notch at the back of the pan. 3/4 - 1" clearance and no heat shielding. Never said I liked it, but I recall it being factory. Probably works just fine for all but the most severe usage.
 
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Thanks all. I believe mine is way too close the way I welded it up right now. Only about 1/8" clearance.

The oil pan and engine is a 351W from an 80s pickup. Drain is on the bottom, so no issues with the drain.
 

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While not exactly apples to apples I have a couple spots on my transmission pan that my headers make contact with, temp will climb under hard use on the dunes but I believe it's more from converter slip then the exhaust.

There are some stick on heat shield products that work really good, I would try to get some air gap if you can and look at some of those options if I felt I needed it.

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Thanks all. I believe mine is way too close the way I welded it up right now. Only about 1/8" clearance.

The oil pan and engine is a 351W from an 80s pickup. Drain is on the bottom, so no issues with the drain.

1/8" is too tight for my liking. Exhaust grows and shifts around when it gets hot as well. A finger width of clearance is what I would be looking to up it to.
 

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Wow. You managed to get within 1/8 inch? I should get you to make mine...

Mines about 1/2 inch away. Best place to run it. Works great. And Paul is right...1/8 inch is too close.
 

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DirtDonk

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What size tubing are you using Jd? Naturally a smaller size would leave more air space. And because it's the "long side" (crossing over and taking more length to get there) it would not even be out of line to use smaller tubing on the driver's side bank than the passenger side. At least until they meet up.

Just thinking that a 2.25" tube would be easier to fit than even just that little bit more of a 2.5" tube.

And to avoid the dilemma altogether, I'm sure most could probably get away with running it around the bell housing instead of tucked in the notch. Then not even worrying about heating the engine oil, or bothering the clutch on the other side of that thick cast-iron housing.
Even though that puts the tube more in harm's way, I'd bet 99% of owners are never going to put their Broncos in a situation where they manage to bugger the exhaust crossover even in that more exposed location.
It would not look as good either though. And that's kind of a big deal too.

Paul
 
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Wow. You managed to get within 1/8 inch? I should get you to make mine...

It wasn't really on purpose. I was going for more like a finger width, but I'm not that good.

Paul, I'm using 2.5" tube. My intent was to keep everything out of the clutch linkage area.

I'll probably just cut it and add about 3/4" to lower it down a bit more.

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Well, not quite an inch, but its better, and I'm happy with it.

The goal is to exit before the passenger tire.
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Great looking setup! Nice progress.
Think ya got enough camber on those rear wheels there Hoss?;):eek:;D
Cool wide-angle shot. Is that with a phone, or camera type camera?

You sure you want to exit ahead of the tires? Other family members ride with you? I mean like those that don't like noise or fumes in their face?
I like the Cherry Bombs (or whatever brand they are) and they should sound great at least for some time yet. But tire exit strategies leave me flat anymore.

Have fun!

Paul
 
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Ha! It's just wide angle on my phone.

I don't plan on too many passengers. If I need a more "peacefull" ride, there's my '68. They are some cheap cherry bombs I bought. They fit much better than two flowmasters side by side right there.

With exits in front of the rear tires, do fumes tend to pull in the cab? My '68 has side exits behind the rear tires, and I have no issues with exhaust fumes. I've seen where people dump underneath, but I would think that fumes pull into the cab from the back. The rear exit I had on the '68 was terrible.

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I would angle the exhaust to the side. I have an axle dump on my Bronco and I'll get fumes if I drive with the liftgate open.
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