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Mustang EFI Build Threads

Stutsmo

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Hey guys, I've been away for awhile and feel like I have lost most of my Bronco knowledge. I am planning to upgrade from a 4 barrel carburetor to the Mustang EFI. I have had most of the parts to do this laying around for the better part of 5 years. At one time I had all the tech articles to help me out, but now I cant find them. I have spent most of this evening searching through build threads looking for more technical info but really haven't found much. It seems that the Mustang EFI install is becoming a thing of the past. Everyone has moved on to the Explorer system or putting on a Holley Sniper etc..... I'm hoping to find enough info to complete my install. I thought I would post up and see if anyone has a favorite build thread that I could read that covers the install and to get me headed in the right direction.
 

kempco

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I did my EFI swap following those guidelines. Pretty straight forward.
 

bcmbcmbcm

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It is nice to hear someone doing the Mustang swap. That is what I have been doing. For me it is two reasons…one…I grew up with Fox bodies…my mom had a new 1987 5.0 convertible. The year prior I read ‘how to rebuild a small block Ford’ and the simplicity and logic really clicked, and then in 1987 the EFI and E7 heads brought new life into cars after the late 70’s and early 80’s. So for me it is just familiar and looks right.
# 2 is that this Bronco is intended to be an heirloom for my (now teenage) boys after I am dead and have enjoyed using it as a grown up toy. I am thinking 30 years out. The last 5.0 exploder is now 20 years old. In 30 years it will be 50. I think it will be easier to source Mustang based parts vs exploder parts since folks collect Mustangs. I think you will always be able to find a Mustang 5.0 throttle body, MAF, computer, etc. There will always be aftermarket fuel rails that will work in a stock-type application.
I have made a LOT of mistakes…and most of them could have been addressed by reading those articles. My rig still isn’t running right…but that is due to undoing my mistakes and taking time. Anyway here is what I did right and wrong…hopefully you can save some grief!
• Throttle pedal-modify a stock EB pedal to take a Mustang cable-like in the article. Use Fox Body Mustang throttle linkage, bracket, etc. Don’t try aftermarket linkage-it may seem easy but it never worked for me. Where are you going to buy a replacement if it fails? I bought a fox body pedal and sacrificed it for the end for the Bronco pedal. The swing will need to be modified just like in the article.
• Air intake-relocate the battery to the driver’s side before you are committed. I didn’t do this…I have too much wiring now on the driver’s side to move it. Regardless of what options you choose for your intake this will give you more flexibility.
• Don’t run a dual exhaust. I LOVE duals but it just didn’t work right with the fuel lines and brake lines.
• I mounted my computer inside the cab, in the middle. This way I don’t have to run it by the heater. It will make replacing it or even replacing the entire harness much easier.
• I spent too much time, money, and effort on performance and in the end I really didn’t know what I was doing. I should have just focused on quality, reliability, and serviceability. My latest combination does just that (though admittedly not proven yet!) is a high quality rebuild (older, experienced, engine builder)-all balanced etc, with highest quality stock parts, Explorer cam,stamped rockers, etc. I am using a ported intake and ported E7 iron heads, 24 lb injectors, 93 Cobra MAF ($53 at Rockauto), and X3Z computer. If this works as it should I won’t need a custom tune.
• Oil pan- Duffs has an EB pan without a dipstick tube in it. That way you can run the stock foxbody dipstick that pushes into the block.
• Front dress-lot’s of reasons to use the explorer front dress, and it will work with this. I didn’t use it. I am using a stock EB timing cover, 5.0 Fox brackets, vendor bracket for the AC and PS, smog pump eliminator for a 5.0 Fox, Saginaw PS pump, Sanden compressor, fixed pitch fan, EB brass radiator that can be repaired. This takes stock EB hoses and stock mustang belt. It needs the reverse rotation water pump that BC sells. I do like this setup since it makes it simple to source replacement parts, and the only ‘custom’ part I have is that pump, which I would like to figure out what it is from anyway (I saw in the rabbit hole of old posts it was for a boat but I never found out anything more)….
• Balancer-if you use the front dress setup like I am you can use a stock 5.0 balancer but the timing marks will be in the wrong location. I had damper dudes put the marks in the right location on a factory new 5.0 balancer but I didn’t end up using it (plug…it is for sale!) . My builder balanced my whole assembly including my existing balancer and marked TDC on it in the right location.
Doing all this means the only ‘custom’ parts that could wear out) are:
• Reverse rotation water pump
• Smog pump eliminator pulley (common at Summit…but you could use a short belt and not do this)
And the only ‘custom’ and ‘massaged’ parts that likely will not wear out are:
• Stock 5.0 damper re-scaled with timing marks in EB location
• Modified EB throttle pedal
• Driver’s side AC and PS bracket
Expensive, obsolete, but easy to find parts
• Computer
Everything else is available at NAPA! Either spec for a 1991 Mustang or 1974 Bronco. No part numbers to remember!
 
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Stutsmo

Stutsmo

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It is nice to hear someone doing the Mustang swap. That is what I have been doing. For me it is two reasons…one…I grew up with Fox bodies…my mom had a new 1987 5.0 convertible. The year prior I read ‘how to rebuild a small block Ford’ and the simplicity and logic really clicked, and then in 1987 the EFI and E7 heads brought new life into cars after the late 70’s and early 80’s. So for me it is just familiar and looks right.
# 2 is that this Bronco is intended to be an heirloom for my (now teenage) boys after I am dead and have enjoyed using it as a grown up toy. I am thinking 30 years out. The last 5.0 exploder is now 20 years old. In 30 years it will be 50. I think it will be easier to source Mustang based parts vs exploder parts since folks collect Mustangs. I think you will always be able to find a Mustang 5.0 throttle body, MAF, computer, etc. There will always be aftermarket fuel rails that will work in a stock-type application.
I have made a LOT of mistakes…and most of them could have been addressed by reading those articles. My rig still isn’t running right…but that is due to undoing my mistakes and taking time. Anyway here is what I did right and wrong…hopefully you can save some grief!
• Throttle pedal-modify a stock EB pedal to take a Mustang cable-like in the article. Use Fox Body Mustang throttle linkage, bracket, etc. Don’t try aftermarket linkage-it may seem easy but it never worked for me. Where are you going to buy a replacement if it fails? I bought a fox body pedal and sacrificed it for the end for the Bronco pedal. The swing will need to be modified just like in the article.
• Air intake-relocate the battery to the driver’s side before you are committed. I didn’t do this…I have too much wiring now on the driver’s side to move it. Regardless of what options you choose for your intake this will give you more flexibility.
• Don’t run a dual exhaust. I LOVE duals but it just didn’t work right with the fuel lines and brake lines.
• I mounted my computer inside the cab, in the middle. This way I don’t have to run it by the heater. It will make replacing it or even replacing the entire harness much easier.
• I spent too much time, money, and effort on performance and in the end I really didn’t know what I was doing. I should have just focused on quality, reliability, and serviceability. My latest combination does just that (though admittedly not proven yet!) is a high quality rebuild (older, experienced, engine builder)-all balanced etc, with highest quality stock parts, Explorer cam,stamped rockers, etc. I am using a ported intake and ported E7 iron heads, 24 lb injectors, 93 Cobra MAF ($53 at Rockauto), and X3Z computer. If this works as it should I won’t need a custom tune.
• Oil pan- Duffs has an EB pan without a dipstick tube in it. That way you can run the stock foxbody dipstick that pushes into the block.
• Front dress-lot’s of reasons to use the explorer front dress, and it will work with this. I didn’t use it. I am using a stock EB timing cover, 5.0 Fox brackets, vendor bracket for the AC and PS, smog pump eliminator for a 5.0 Fox, Saginaw PS pump, Sanden compressor, fixed pitch fan, EB brass radiator that can be repaired. This takes stock EB hoses and stock mustang belt. It needs the reverse rotation water pump that BC sells. I do like this setup since it makes it simple to source replacement parts, and the only ‘custom’ part I have is that pump, which I would like to figure out what it is from anyway (I saw in the rabbit hole of old posts it was for a boat but I never found out anything more)….
• Balancer-if you use the front dress setup like I am you can use a stock 5.0 balancer but the timing marks will be in the wrong location. I had damper dudes put the marks in the right location on a factory new 5.0 balancer but I didn’t end up using it (plug…it is for sale!) . My builder balanced my whole assembly including my existing balancer and marked TDC on it in the right location.
Doing all this means the only ‘custom’ parts that could wear out) are:
• Reverse rotation water pump
• Smog pump eliminator pulley (common at Summit…but you could use a short belt and not do this)
And the only ‘custom’ and ‘massaged’ parts that likely will not wear out are:
• Stock 5.0 damper re-scaled with timing marks in EB location
• Modified EB throttle pedal
• Driver’s side AC and PS bracket
Expensive, obsolete, but easy to find parts
• Computer
Everything else is available at NAPA! Either spec for a 1991 Mustang or 1974 Bronco. No part numbers to remember!

Looks like your getting yours sorted out. we are going to install a fresh 351W bone stock except for the double roller timing chain and the high volume oil pump. Gonna do the Mustang EFI upgrade and the Explorer front dress. We are keeping the 3 on the tree because that is half the fun of owning a Bronco!
 
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Stutsmo

Stutsmo

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Thanks for the files guys! I have them printed and am reading through them. glad I am not in a big hurry because there is a lot in information to process. I appreciate everyone that has responded thanks again.

If you have a build thread ( or know of one) that covers this install I'd love to read through it. Post up a link and I'll check it out.
 

theshadow

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Thanks for the files guys! I have them printed and am reading through them. glad I am not in a big hurry because there is a lot in information to process. I appreciate everyone that has responded thanks again.

If you have a build thread ( or know of one) that covers this install I'd love to read through it. Post up a link and I'll check it out.
I'm rebuilding my 302 to 347 and doing some other upgrades along the way, but am reusing my mustang EFI system (mostly). Changing computer, intake, injectors, and fuel pump.

I'm in the very early stages of my build thread that will cover some relevant things to your build in the future. By no means will it be an instructive EFI thread, nor am I an expert, but I have done a lot of research on blending components and have a good handle on things.

There are for sure some more well versed folks on this site, but here's mine that you can follow:

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/to...6&share_fid=7563&share_type=t&link_source=app

Something that will affect the complication factor is what engine harness are you using?

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Stutsmo

Stutsmo

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I'm rebuilding my 302 to 347 and doing some other upgrades along the way, but am reusing my mustang EFI system (mostly). Changing computer, intake, injectors, and fuel pump.

I'm in the very early stages of my build thread that will cover some relevant things to your build in the future. By no means will it be an instructive EFI thread, nor am I an expert, but I have done a lot of research on blending components and have a good handle on things.

There are for sure some more well versed folks on this site, but here's mine that you can follow:

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/to...6&share_fid=7563&share_type=t&link_source=app

Something that will affect the complication factor is what engine harness are you using?

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Thanks for posting a link I will take a look!

I will be using a painless harness so I hope it lives up to it name, LOL!
 

theshadow

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I used a Painless harness back 15 years ago when I converted from speed density to mass air. It was really straightforward, no issues other than one bad connector.

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Stutsmo

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If memory serves me correctly I believe that the Painless EFI harness and the RJM harness are close to being the same thing. Did Ryan help Painless out with making their harness?
 

stretch

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I could be wrong, but the RJM harness which is now produced by Ron Francis is already set up to eliminate the EGR. The Painless, the EGR wiring is still included in the harness, so you may have an extra step or two if you were going to eliminate your EGR.
 

904Bronco

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Ryan disappeared years ago, harvest what you find.

From what I remember and what we talked about...

Ryan had medical issues... He was a Medic and Firefighter, got injuried on the Job and had to do rehab. He was pushed to return to work by his employer and had to qualify by taking a return to duty physical skills test. Which he did not pass.
Then Ford came after him, as Ford did with everyone who used the Ford name back then. That pretty much wiped his business out and closed down his website.

The Ron Francis harness looks pretty much like the harness he marketed, including the instructions. I have installed 3 of them, very simple and easy to do. Can't comment on the Painlesss harness, never used it, but they build quality products.

We are fortunate that his website info has survived...
 

theshadow

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I could be wrong, but the RJM harness which is now produced by Ron Francis is already set up to eliminate the EGR. The Painless, the EGR wiring is still included in the harness, so you may have an extra step or two if you were going to eliminate your EGR.
The Painless harness does include the egr wiring. Just need to block off the egr and turn it off in the computer (tuning) if not using.

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