Oil Pan help

[74BroncoCO]

I am having my motor rebuilt. It is a 351 from a '95 F-250. One of the sources of oil leak was the dip-stick port in the side of the pan. My block has provisions for the dipstick so I am reusing that. Now I need a pan that looks the same, but without the dipstick port. Any ideas? Here's my original pan. I guess this is considered dual sump?? I only have single oil pickup pump, so that begs the question: what is the advantage of a pan like this?



There is the option of cutting out that port and patching with steel, but if that welding isn't done right, the leak returns.

Thanks!

 

[74BroncoCO]

Yes, IIRC, it was immediately above the port in the pan.

 

[blubuckaroo]

The advantage of the extra sump is more capacity, but unless you really need it, it's just one more drain plug to deal with.

 

[Timmy390]

I'm running a 96 van pan on my 96 351W. Dipstick through the block on the D side. Pan has only one drain and hold 6 Q's

Dipstick is long but clears everything and is not in the way.

Tim

 

[74BroncoCO]

The advantage of the extra sump is more capacity, but unless you really need it, it's just one more drain plug to deal with.

What would constitute the extra capacity? It's been too long since I've changed the oil on my bronco (been in storage), so I don't recall how much it takes, but something in my mind seems to think it always required a little more than the manual for a 95 F-250 said...

I'm running a 96 van pan on my 96 351W. Dipstick through the block on the D side. Pan has only one drain and hold 6 Q's

Dipstick is long but clears everything and is not in the way.

Tim

Ahhh - that looks promising!!!

 

[englewoodcowboy]

Rock Auto you can get an oil pan without any provisions for oil dipstick or oil level sensor etc. Thats where I get mine from and have been very happy with them.

 

[SteveL]

If the pan works why not pop out the rivets and weld a square over the old dipstick location? Also I've never gave it much thought but does that front sump allow space for the oil pump? I know the pump is a tight fit. I've had to grind a couple pump castings down to get the pan to clear.

 

[74BroncoCO]

Rock Auto you can get an oil pan without any provisions for oil dipstick or oil level sensor etc. Thats where I get mine from and have been very happy with them.

That is where I was looking. For around $50, I can get what appears to be a good pan. The E-250 looks promising. Waiting for confirmation heights on mine.

If the pan works why not pop out the rivets and weld a square over the old dipstick location? Also I've never gave it much thought but does that front sump allow space for the oil pump? I know the pump is a tight fit. I've had to grind a couple pump castings down to get the pan to clear.

The main reason is...the welds have to be oil-tight. Not that big of a deal perhaps, but if there is a pin-hole, I've gained nothing and wasted time and money to weld in the patch.

 

[Timmy390]

That is where I was looking. For around $50, I can get what appears to be a good pan. The E-250 looks promising. Waiting for confirmation heights on mine..

Mine was off a 96 E350......I'm using the dipstick form the same van. Heck, I used most of that van...LOL

Tim

 

[74BroncoCO]

I'll see if there is a difference in oil pans 250 to 350, but I would bet there isn't as long as it's both 5.8l

 

[jmangi62]

I needed a new oil pan for my rebuilt 302,ordered one from one of the vendors and got the wrong one,sent it back and ended up getting one that fits perfectly but it was a dual sump,not really what I wanted but it came with a new one piece gasket and a nice Lokar flexible dipstick,so not bad for $99 with free ship so I'll keep it. ;D

 

[jckkys]

The pan you have is a car pan made for Fox and Panther bodies. It has dual sumps to clear the cross member in those cars. It's likely the best choice for 351 EB swaps. Do you know what caused the dent in the rear sump? If it was the front differential, I'd love to know because that's the pan I'm using on my 351. The truck pan is also rear sump but not duel sump. I looked up the pan for a '91 Crown Vic with a 351W/5.8 and it's the same as yours, with the dip stick in the pan. That was the last for small blocks in any car. The modular 4.6 was used in '92 up Crown Vics.

 

[74BroncoCO]

That was what my research was telling me to. Looked up a 90 foxbody...but I understand the bolt pattern for the 302 vs the 351 is different, so how can that be? And also, I can't seem to find one without the dipstick port.

Lastly, aside from losing just a little capacity, I don't see an issue running the e-series pan.

I didn't put the dent in the pan. I bought the bronco that way. I can only assume it was the High pinion diff. and knowing how stiff my springs are, it must have gone airborne to do that as I have wheeled my bronco quite hard and NEVER hit the pan. I have since moved the axle forward 2" and I think it'd take some serious baja driving to get them to contact again.

 

[jckkys]

The only Fox body (Mustang) that got a 351/5.8 was the '95 Cobra R. The Panther (Crown Vics) body got them from '80-'91. Most were police cars. The E and F series truck pan is even more likely to be hit by the front differential housing. The one you have is, as I said, the best choice for an EB 351 swap. They're cheap, so a new one won't kill your wallet.

 

[74BroncoCO]

So I looked up the '91 Crown vic 5.8 and that does look promising. And the cheapest option doesn't have the dip-stick port nor the low oil level sensor!!

That sure looks bang on!

 

[jckkys]

I'm fairly certain that if you check the specifics on that pan, you'll find it to be a 302/5.0 part.

 

[74BroncoCO]

Sorry, I am confused by that??
I am being told the bolt pattern for the 305/5.0 is not the same as a 351/5.8. The one pictured says it's for a 351 in a crown vic.

 

[jckkys]

The original Bronco pan is the best you can get for a Bronco. Unfortunately it's made for the 289/302 block, and no 302 pan will work on 351s. The rear main bearing cap is larger because the main bearings are larger on 351s. The bearing journal in the crankshaft is 3/4" larger. All this means the pan's girdle around the rear main bearing cap has to be larger too. The bolt pattern isn't the issue.

 

[74BroncoCO]

Ok, so it appears that the Panther body 351 is a direct replacement for my pan, and it's one of the cheaper options, once I confirm dimension I will likely run that one.

 

[74BroncoCO]

I ordered an oil pan from rockauto for a 1991 ltd crown vic 5.8l a month or more ago. My mechanic (Cousin) test fitted it today and it's about 1/2" too shallow. Bottoms out on the sump. Any ideas??