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Poly Bushings Torque

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While putting my '71 back together with Energy Suspension bushings I did a search on here to see what guys were torquing the radius arm to bracket nuts. I found a wide range of advice. In my own mind it made sense that these poly bushings wouldn't require as much as the OE rubber bushings, but, I wasn't seeing anything definitive.

I reached out to Energy Suspensions and they said to use the stock torque specs. I've pasted their response below. Hope this helps somebody in the future.

"...We set the height of our product to mimic the preload that the OEM bushing would exhibit on the hardware. The factory torque spec will be perfect."
 

Broncobowsher

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I believe stock is simple tighten until the nut bottoms out. Just did a '77 truck and that was how much you tighten them. Positive stop, like valve train. The newer ones don't even have castle nuts.
 

blubuckaroo

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True. You just tighten them all the way.
I have seen some leave them a bit loose for more flexibility over boulders, but for normal use tighten them down.
 
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Someone posted the torque specs page out of a service manual. It showed 80-120 ft-lbs. In my message to Energy Suspension, I told them what the spec was and he responded as I pasted above.
 

DirtDonk

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As long as the sleeve is long enough, the stock torque is fine. But it's not an absolute requirement for the aftermarket bushings with good hardware either.
The original bushings were entirely different in design, not just material. The big torque numbers were used at least in part to literally dig the serrated ends of the inner sleeves into the metal to anchor the inner sleeves mechanically to the mounting points, so that it was the vulcanized rubber bushings that was twisted between the inner and outer sleeves to allow for suspension movement.

I'm one of those that likes to leave them on the loose side though, and judge proper tightness by the shape of the ears of the shackle and hangers as they squeeze down on the bushing flanged ends.
I don't like bending the ears in to crush the bushings, and don't like to crush the bushings to the point they're getting squeezed out.

All this loose talk though, only applies if you have perfectly good (or new) locking nuts on the hardware. If the nuts can loosen over time, such as if you continued to use original nuts that have been run up and down a time or three, then leaving things even slightly loose will eventually (or sooner) end up with dangerously loose hardware. So if you have to use stock hardware, run them up tight.
But better yet would be new hardware. At least the nuts.

So the factory torque is not a requirement with poly bushings, but it can be a good guide.
But it should not hurt anything either, because eventually the inner metal sleeve will stop further compression of the bushings and lock things down.

Some other suggestions:

1. Always do your final torque with the tires on the ground and the full weight of the truck on the suspension.
2. Always lube the bushing flanges (and all the other parts as well) with a good thick grease, such as the silicone stuff the polyurethane bushing manufacturers suggest.
Should not be petroleum based grease, but in a pinch I've used it and it has not degraded the poly. But it can in theory.
3. Remember to put the shackle/spring eye bolt in from the backside.
4. My preferred bolt direction for the frame mounts is the opposite, with the heads facing outward (and visible) with the threads and nuts facing in and protected inside the pocket area of the hangers. Most Broncos came from the factory this way, but I think some were put in the other way. I see more and more that way and it always seems out of place to me.

Paul
 

TDubya

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As long as the sleeve is long enough, the stock torque is fine. But it's not an absolute requirement for the aftermarket bushings with good hardware either.
The original bushings were entirely different in design, not just material. The big torque numbers were used at least in part to literally dig the serrated ends of the inner sleeves into the metal to anchor the inner sleeves mechanically to the mounting points, so that it was the vulcanized rubber bushings that was twisted between the inner and outer sleeves to allow for suspension movement.

I'm one of those that likes to leave them on the loose side though, and judge proper tightness by the shape of the ears of the shackle and hangers as they squeeze down on the bushing flanged ends.
I don't like bending the ears in to crush the bushings, and don't like to crush the bushings to the point they're getting squeezed out.

All this loose talk though, only applies if you have perfectly good (or new) locking nuts on the hardware. If the nuts can loosen over time, such as if you continued to use original nuts that have been run up and down a time or three, then leaving things even slightly loose will eventually (or sooner) end up with dangerously loose hardware. So if you have to use stock hardware, run them up tight.
But better yet would be new hardware. At least the nuts.

So the factory torque is not a requirement with poly bushings, but it can be a good guide.
But it should not hurt anything either, because eventually the inner metal sleeve will stop further compression of the bushings and lock things down.

Some other suggestions:

1. Always do your final torque with the tires on the ground and the full weight of the truck on the suspension.
2. Always lube the bushing flanges (and all the other parts as well) with a good thick grease, such as the silicone stuff the polyurethane bushing manufacturers suggest.
Should not be petroleum based grease, but in a pinch I've used it and it has not degraded the poly. But it can in theory.
3. Remember to put the shackle/spring eye bolt in from the backside.
4. My preferred bolt direction for the frame mounts is the opposite, with the heads facing outward (and visible) with the threads and nuts facing in and protected inside the pocket area of the hangers. Most Broncos came from the factory this way, but I think some were put in the other way. I see more and more that way and it always seems out of place to me.

Paul

I think he's talking about the radius arm bushings at the frame bracket; there are no sleeves
 

blubuckaroo

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My '77 came with self locking nuts. The first time I replaced the donuts, I replaced the nuts with castle nuts and drilled the arms for cotter pins. I don't trust self locking nuts. Also you can't properly torque them.
 

DirtDonk

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I think he's talking about the radius arm bushings at the frame bracket; there are no sleeves

Hah! Oops, my mind was on leaf springs obviously.
Sorry about the help with nothing BroncoSnake!

Paul
 

Steve83

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The RAs are shouldered, though, so the washer & nut hit a positive stop when torqued properly. If not, they won't compress the bushings enough, resulting in too much axle wander, and bushing wear.
 
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