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Starting engine after 15+ years

Ryan_M

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I have finally decided to get into restoring my '77 (father was original owner) and has been sitting in storage since the early 00's. I am sure I will have a lot of questions as I get into it, however, the first is: What is your checklist to to start a car that has been sitting for 15+ years?

-Since I need to drain gas I am upgrading to the larger tank
-Drain fluids
-Pull and go through the carb
-New Battery

I know those are the basics, what else am I missing? Auto-trans, anything I need to go over there?

Thanks in advance for the first of many questions ;D
 

Wyflyer

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You'll get a lot of advice, all good but it'll be for you to decide which is best for you.
My .02 is, check all the fluids and if the oil and transmission fluid look clean with no stratified water it should be fine to start and run the engine. I'd run it for awhile then change it. Maybe change the oil filter first but changing oil for no good reason is a waste of money.
Pull the plugs and spray the cylinders with something to loosen any rust on the cylinder walls. Try to turn it over by hand just for curiosity and see if it'll make a full turn with no seizing.
Spark, fuel, and see what happens. Everything else can be dealt with later
 

Wyflyer

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I've started several old Broncos that have sat for years. Have always been surprised that they start and run well. they usually start and run just like they did when they were parked. They never get better while parked but don't get much worse either. That is if they were parked with the air cleaner on, hood on etc. The fuel system is always the first thing to work on and you're on top of that already.
I've had several that I bought after sitting for a decade and had them running in and hour or two after unloading them. I bought one with a I6 that had sat for a full 10 years and had it running in 30 minutes.
I think it's rare they are parked because of some existing engine issue like knocking rods or cracked piston, more often they just get parked and neglected or the owner likes driving the new SUV better.
 

TN1776

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Twenty years ago, my dad bought a 1937 Plymouth, a car that he had literally "known" his whole life as it belonged to his neighbor when he was growing up. It had been in storage for over 30 years. The engine was seized. A year before we went to get it, he poured a little marvel mystery oil into each spark plug hole. When we went to get it, with a new battery and some fuel, it started and ran.

My point, engines will usually run. I would be more concerned with making sure that the brakes work, that fuel lines are not cracked, etc. Good luck!
 

sykanr0ng

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From my teens when starting my dirt bike for the season I learned to put WD-40 in the cylinders through the sparkplug hole to lube the rings.

Motor oil becomes acidic if it is run then left to sit, so cheap insurance to change it, best to do after you lube the rings and let them sit a while so you have fresh uncontaminated oil.
 

jagdprcp

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I would first try to turn it over by hand and make sure that it doesn't get stuck anywhere. Remove the plugs before beginning. If it is hard to turn, squirt some oil in each cylinder and try again. Sometimes you have to let is sit with oil in each cylinder overnight before trying again.

If it turns over by hand with no sticky spots, check the wiring and hoses. If all looks good, try to turn it over by jumping the solenoid or using a remote start button.

I would then clean the fuel tank and lines, clean/rebuild the carb (depending on what it looks like) and then add fresh fuel, new spark plugs/wires, check the points and try to start it.

Skeeeter
 

hucklburry rev2

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You could pull the distributor and use a drill to run the oil pump, prime the engine that way to be sure everying is lubed. Just an option. I know I'd pull the plugs and spray something in the cylinders, and rotate it by hand first too, as has been said.
 

Broncobowsher

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If it isn't stuck, put a battery to it and start it.

A lot depends on how it was stored as well. Outdoors in a wet area with no air cleaner, probably isn't going to be a happy story. Someplace dry and air cleaner in place, no problem.

The problems will be all the systems that have been sitting for 15 years. While parked they still aged. namely rubber parts.

Another question I ask, why was it parked 15 years ago? Most people don't park a perfectly functional vehicle. Usually there was some sort of problem that caused it to get parked. That will need to be addressed as well.
 

welndmn

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I'm not as cautious as everyone, I seem to always Find field cars.
Bring a gas jug and fuel line, just remove the fuel hose on the carb and hook it to the jug to gravity feed the carb.
Look at the engine oil, it is wet? Good.
Any wires bare and about to start a fire? No? Good
Hook up a jumper box or spare battery, spray either down the car and see if it starts.
 
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Ryan_M

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-Replaced Battery Cables (exposed wires)
-New Battery
-New Plugs
-Dropped Both Tanks, Cleaned out, New Hoses (all were cracked and leaking) and New sending Units
-Oil Change
-3 months later and a little gas into the carb it rolled over on the first try :cool:


Now the fun part....

Have a Tick on the top end, let it run for 15 mins to see if was an exhaust leak that would get better as it warmed up. It never did. It also follows up as the engine revs up.

Possible lifter issue? What are the chances I can simply get into the top end and fix without pulling the engine?
 

Broncobowsher

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Was the tick there when it was parked? Does any one even remember if it was there?
15 minutes idling isn't really long enough to get the oil warmed up. That will barely get the water warmed up. I would just ignore the tick for now. If it is still there after a 30 mile drive, then look at it. Give it a chance to fix itself by running some good hot oil through that lifter first.
 

Capertrj

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I just got my running after sitting in a Texas barn for 7 years. My entire fuel system was shot from tank to the carb. All the brakes were bad including brake booster, MC, and calipers were locked up. My radiator had fluid in it and is in bad shape, I plan on replacing that soon. Fuel pump was done also.

I poured a little bit of marvels mystery oil in each cylinder and let it sit a couple days. After that I bought some cheap oil and changed it out. She spun over and lit right off, didn't miss a beat. I will drive her a little and change oil with better stuff and change plugs.
 
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Ryan_M

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Was the tick there when it was parked? Does any one even remember if it was there?
15 minutes idling isn't really long enough to get the oil warmed up. That will barely get the water warmed up. I would just ignore the tick for now. If it is still there after a 30 mile drive, then look at it. Give it a chance to fix itself by running some good hot oil through that lifter first.

Senior year of High School, COLLEGE, Many Beers and too many late nights to remember over the past 15 years....

I am going to go with ummm.....

Ill give that a try first and if nothing else I will search the lifter thread.

Thanks
 

El Kabong

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Sometimes a little gummy old oil can be the cause of a sticky lifter. Below is a quote of my regular reply to the "starting a long sitting engine" question. A lot of it is a repeat of what was said above, but I'm too lazy to clean it up. ;D It gets into oil changes & ATF, which might help with a sticky lifter. More run time & heat might also free it.

You should expect the compression to be low at first after sitting several years with no oil on the rings. Dry rings alone will drop the compression. You should squirt oil in all 8 before trying to crank it.

My dad is a guy for bringing those back to life. He had a garage when I was a kid, then taught auto shop for years, & was always trying to revive some old engine. His routine was to change the crankcase oil & filter, squirt a little Marvel Mystery Oil thru the plug holes, rotate the engine without starting it just enough to coat the cylinder walls, add a little more thru the plug holes, & let sit for a bit before firing it up. He'd run the engine easy for little awhile (Maybe 15 minutes to 1/2 hour?), then change the oil & filter again. Of course the 1st fire up would smoke a lot as the oil burned out of the cylinders. Sometimes he'd mix in a little ATF (1/2 quart at the most) with the crankcase oil in the 1st oil change to aid in cleaning if he thought the old oil looked especially bad. He'd drive it easy for few days, & make the call after that as to whether or not it needed more work or just another oil change. It would usually work out pretty good.

And of course, check all rubber parts for signs of cracking or stiffness. Tires, hoses, belts, wiring, & especially anything handling fuel.

Look for signs of animal damage. Chewed wiring, nesting material under the hood, along the exhaust, or even in the intake to the air cleaner. I've actually removed nuts stored by squirrels from inside an air cleaner.

Check the brakes. Low fluid is not unusual after sitting for awhile. If the master cylinder is dry, you will probably have to bleed the brakes. Check the brake hoses for cracking, stiffness or swelling. Check the entire system for leaks after topping off the master cylinder & stepping on the brakes several times. Also step lightly on the brakes & hold them to see if the master cylinder creeps down. Even after inspection, be sure that they're working right before driving. Try them in the driveway several times before taking it out. Expect the brake drums & rotors to have some surface rust, but that's usually light enough to come off after a few stops. But the brakes might be prone to grab or pull until it's gone. Depending where & how long it was stored, the rust might be more serious. It's not a bad idea to check the condition of the pads & shoes anyway, you can see how much rust there is at that point. Does the parking brake work & release? Lube its cables while you're at it.

Check all the fluids. A radiator flush with a change of coolant is a good idea too.

There is also the condition of the fuel to be considered. Sometimes it has sat so long that the tank & components have a build up of varnish that requires removal, cleaning, or replacement. If you decide to not remove & replace/clean fuel system components, here's a routine for a carbureted engine when the fuel isn't that bad. If marginally bad fuel is suspected, disconnect the fuel line at the carb & run a fuel hose from a small gas tank sitting on a blanket on the roof. I have used a lawnmower tank for years, & recently got a small boat tank for the job. So you have known good fuel & positive gravity feed to the carb for the first fire up. If there is a fuel issue at that point, you know the carb itself has the problem. Also remove & plug the fuel line before the fuel pump so you don't have to deal with it pumping bad gas just yet. Even so, still direct the output line from the pump safely into a container in case there's a little fuel in the pump. I like to run a hose to a can on the ground. Later the input to the pump can be reconnected, the line from the pump can be used to empty what you couldn't get out of the tank, & flush a little new gas through the system into the gas can while the engine is run from the temp tank. All of this requires attention to fire prevention (Being sure that nothing is going to pump, leak, or drip fuel anywhere & that anything spilled while making connections is wiped up, dried, & the rags removed from the area & allowed to dry before throwing or washing) since the engine will be run while some lines are disconnected.

If you are inexperienced or don't feel confident about taking on this type of work, seek advice from a local experienced person, or take it to a shop to do the work.
 
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