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What is the most common cause for battery drain?

blubuckaroo

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When I leave the car parked over two weeks, the battery is dead. I've replaced the alternator and battery with no improvement. The car has an alarm system which I've disconnected to eliminate it as a suspect. I haven't used a test lamp on it yet but was just hoping for some input in where to look next.
 

Viperwolf1

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Could be almost anything. You need to isolate circuits until you identify the one with the drain. Its quicker to use a test light or ammeter than waiting 2 weeks to see if the drain is gone.
 

Timmy390

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Could be lots of things......To find it, try these two options.

Disconnect the battery cable and measure between the battery and the cable. If there is any current drain at all you will read some voltage.

or

You can also place an un-powered test light between the negative post of the battery and the negative battery cable. If the light lights up, you have a draw.

If you see a draw, pull fuses to find the circuit the track the circuit........

Tim
 

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Disconnect the battery cable and measure between the battery and the cable. If there is any current drain at all you will read some voltage.

While this is technically true its not a good way to find a drain. A voltmeter (especially a digital one) requires very little current flow to indicate voltage. You always have a tiny amount of current flowing. It could lead to false conclusions. That's why I mentioned using an ammeter.
 

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really arnt many things to drain a battery in two weeks. Besides headlights, running lights, dash light, light in general.....nothing else in my bronco can drain power without key in. Your radio wired correctly to completly turn off. The radio should have a wire thats always hot to save time and presets, but the power wire shouldnt be hot with key off.

If your battery went dead once or twice its JUNK. Could be just a bad battery. A bad battery can loose power in a day even without anything hooked up.

Unhook the power battery cable and hook a cheep test light from the pos termanal to the pos wire and see if it lights up. If it lights up fairly bright you have a large drain. if its barly lit up it could be a small drain like the radio. unhook the things suspect of the drain and watch the light again.
 

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can a bad voltage regulator drain power? i dont think so but i kinda rember reading about something like that? Your coil shuts off when the key is off right?
 

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When I just bought my bronco I had a drain that kill my battery in less than 4 days if I did not start it. After pulling all the fuses I found out the electric choke on the edelbrock carb was connected to a constant 12v source.
 

Rustytruck

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Without a short or leaving the key on I would look at the Brake peddal switch and the alternator having a bad diode. As above remove the positive battery cable and hook a 12 volt light between the battery cable the the battery post. You do not hook this to ground instead of hooking to ground your hooking to the positive battery cable. This makes the light bulb just a lighted fuse. The ground comes from where the short in the electrical system is. Now to isolate the short disconnect on item at a time and see if the light goes out. When the light goes out that is the circut with the issues.
 

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Someone driller through my dash to install a rocker switch years before I got my Bronco. The problem was they also drilled through the main harness then taped over it. My main drain was from all of the wires heating up and melting together. It took me 4 months to figure it out. So it could be something major or just a lose ground wire or dirty battery terminals. Me, I ended up rewiring the Bronco and don't chase ghost drains on my battery anymore.
Happy hunting and take your time.
Chris-
 

TwoDalesDad

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Mine had a drain caused by the brake pedal. As I walked away from it the brake lights would come on..and drain the battery. I placed a spring on the pedal to hold it up....And no more drain.
 

bronconut73

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Thought I had a drain for awhile....turned out to be a battery that wasn't really bad....but it wasn't really good either. I really didn't want to buy another battery (Optima) but finally bit the bullet. Now it can sit for nearly a month or more and fires right up.
Having said that, over the last few months I have replaced my solenoid, cables, and starter but had the same slow drain. I would charge the battery up and run a battery test with my charger and it would checkout but eventually die. But then I finally bought a new battery and the slow drain problem went away. It has been 4 months and no more slow drain.
 
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ugly74

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9 times out of 10, a dead battery is caused by voltage being used while the alternator isnt turning. :D

If you have an ammeter, that is your best bet. Be patient and isolate the circuits. Youll find it
 

broncosbybart

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Something using power while the key is off is usually the cause of battery drain ;D

Couldn't resist. Disconnect the negative cable and put a test light between the negative cable and terminal. It shouldn't light up. If it does and goes out, that is ok. It shouldn't stay lit, even dimly. From there, it is pulling fuses or plugs until it goes out and tracing your steps. Not all that hard, but not a quick process.
 

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can a bad voltage regulator drain power? i dont think so but i kinda rember reading about something like that?


Yes it can. The Yellow wire is hard-wired to the battery in the harness near the starter relay, so if anything goes wrong internally that could shunt power to ground, it could drain the battery over time.

Same for the bad diode in the alternator the others were talking about. But since the OP mentioned a new alternator, that at least lowers the possibility of that. Plenty of experiences here with new alts that were bad right out of the box though. So it doesn't exactly rule it out completely.
Easy way to test either theory is to disconnect the component and see if the drain stops.


Your coil shuts off when the key is off right?

Correct. When they don't (like when leaving the key on) they can actually overheat and melt down. Sometimes literally!

Paul
 

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Thread rehash. So if the test light between the battery Post and cable doesn’t light up should I focus on the voltage regulator? I have the same issue as the OP
 

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Just saw this is another real blast from the past!

So if the test light between the battery Post and cable doesn’t light up should I focus on the voltage regulator?

To clarify one point, the reason I asked the other questions is that, without any light indicating a drain, then it won't be the regulator or the alternator, or even another component.
Without a light, there is nothing draining the battery.

Which would lead you to suspect the battery itself. Hence my question about leaving the battery disconnected for that period of time to see if it still goes dead.
If it does, then the battery is toast. Or at least needs a hospital visit...

I have the same issue as the OP

Literally the same, as in your battery dies after a few weeks? Or quicker than that?

Paul
 

jperry1290

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Battery dies if left hooked up, even if it’s just overnight. This is a brand new NAPA brand battery. If I unhook it then it stays charged. Voltmeter bounces wildly during the drive.
 

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Ok, that's a better indicator that the battery is not the fault. Good so far...

And something that can drain the battery overnight is almost always the regulator and/or alternator diodes. You could likely feel the alternator as being at least warm long after the engine has been running. This indicates some current flowing through the unit.

Leave the battery connected and disconnect the regulator to see if the drain stops.
Or quicker, test for power on the Orange field wire at the back of the alternator, OR up at the connector if you can access the backside while it's still connected.

You should see these readings that may have been discussed before:

1. Orange "F" wire should have zero voltage with the key OFF.
2. Yellow "A" wire should have full battery voltage al the time.
3. Green w/red "S" wire should have zero power with the key OFF, but battery voltage with the key ON.

If you find power on either the Green wire or the Orange wire with the key OFF, something is wrong with the wiring or the ignition switch.
If you find no power on the Green wire but have power at the Orange wire, the regulator is likely defective.
If you have now power on the Green wire, but power on the Orange wire with the wires disconnected from the regulator, likely the alternator is bad.

If you have time for the "long test" you can disconnect the regulator and wait overnight. If the battery still dies, your alternator is bad.

The only problem with the long test is that if you keep draining your new battery you're not doing it any good. If you start early and check it just a couple of hours later you can see that it's draining or not, but not so far down it hurts the battery.

Paul
 

DirtDonk

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Jumping volt-meter. Could still be either the regulator or alternator.
Or it could be bad grounding.

What is the condition of your main body ground from the battery?
How is the ground wire from the back of the alternator over to the regulator on the body?
How clean is the contact point between the alternator and engine block? Threaded hole clean too?

When in doubt, ground the piss out of everything!
Just exaggerating, but to make a good point. Just make sure all of your grounds and then some (the "some" that you add) are in good shape.

Paul
 
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