• Welcome to ClassicBroncos! - You are currently viewing the forums as a GUEST. To take advantage of all the site features, please take a moment to register. It's fast, simple and absolutely free. So please join our community today!
    If you have problems registering or can't log into your account, please contact Admin.

yet another pre EFI swap question, PCV

NJB71

Bronco Guru
Joined
Aug 26, 2008
Messages
1,047
Loc.
Little Silver, NJ
so I have the gt40 U/L, installed new screen filter/ and PCV valve in the rear of the lower, I know it attaches to vacuum on upper(pretty sure, dbl line to T), anyhow on my carb'ed engine, the pcv hooked up to vacuum, and the driver side oil fill has a vent,,, so on the EFI if only pcv valve, what about a vent? on the EFI valve covers I have oil is filled in a tall neck on passenger side and nothing on drivers, there is a nipple off the top of the fill tube...is that for the breather? is the breather needed?, I know on my carbed version I once put a noin vented cap on an old engine, drove it and the engine was spewing oil out of the fill tube
 

Viperwolf1

Contributor
electron whisperer
Joined
Aug 23, 2007
Messages
24,342
That nipple on the fill tube allows fresh, metered air into the crankcase. Yes it is needed and should be attached to the vent tube on the throttle body.
 

Broncobowsher

Total hack
Joined
Jun 4, 2002
Messages
35,316
True. On the Explorer the vent tube went into the elbow not the throttle body. the throttle body has a flat spot in the casting where the vent would be if it was a Mustang throttle body.

something I learned the hard way, that vent is marginal in size. When I build my stroker I didn't have enough vent and started blowing oil past seals. After opening up the vent (I went overboard and used -10 AN stuff) the oil leaks were gone. So no cheating and using 3/8" fuel line for the vent. Oh, vent can go anywhere between the MAF and the throttle blade.
 

6daze

Sr. Member
Joined
Feb 6, 2007
Messages
798
From a build thread...

Found an interesting article here for the mustang crowd:

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/te...orer65mmTB.pdf


The next step for me was to deal with the crankcase vent. It appears most EFI cars have a nipple on the oil fill going to the throttle body. This allows the crankcase to be "vented" yet remained sealed.

EFI motors must be sealed, ie all air must go through the MAF so the computer knows how much fuel to add. If the crankcase was vented to open air (like mine was) then air could technically get in the motor and mess up the fuel/air ratio. At least what the computer thinks the ratio is...

So I had three options;
1) just cap off the nipple on the oil fill- have seen it done with unknown effect
b) run a hose between the oil fill nipple and the stock explorer air tube (some stock explorers are vented this way, mine was) or
III) drill out the boss on the TB and put a port in to run it in stock 5.0 fashion.

Some explorer TB will have the port already, mine did not.

I choose to add the port to the TB. I had a junk TB sitting around from the bellcrank swap ready to be used. I inserted a screwdriver into the port on the junk and with a couple of twists it came right out!

Next I centerpunched and drilled out the boss. I started with a long skinny step drill bit with long gaps between sizes. I carefully went up to 3/8". Once the first 1/4" was drilled out to 3/8" I switched over to a standard drill bit so I wouldn't drill the hole oversize with the step bit.

I mixed up a little JB Weld and let it sit for the night. In the morning all looked good until the TB slipped out of my hands. It didn't fall far but enough to jar loose my newly installed port

The port came off with the paint that was on the boss. I think the JB didn't like being attached to the POR 15 and then to the aluminum. I am going to try again directly to the aluminum. If that doesn't work I will just tap it and put a threaded fitting in!
 

Viperwolf1

Contributor
electron whisperer
Joined
Aug 23, 2007
Messages
24,342
My explorer TB had the tube but I had to turn it 180*.
 

DirtDonk

Contributor
Bronco Guru
Joined
Nov 3, 2003
Messages
48,570
Wouldn't it be easier to just put a nipple of some kind in the plastic (or whatever you're using) tubing to the MAF and air-filter? Or is that an awkward thing to do?
The Mustang V6 I have right now and, I thought, lots of the V8 applications I've seen had it ahead of the TB in the plastic tube.
Just asking, since I learn more about EFI every day.

Thanks

Paul
 
OP
OP
N

NJB71

Bronco Guru
Joined
Aug 26, 2008
Messages
1,047
Loc.
Little Silver, NJ
Wouldn't it be easier to just put a nipple of some kind in the plastic (or whatever you're using) tubing to the MAF and air-filter? Or is that an awkward thing to do?
The Mustang V6 I have right now and, I thought, lots of the V8 applications I've seen had it ahead of the TB in the plastic tube.
Just asking, since I learn more about EFI every day.

Thanks

Paul

Paul, I think broncobowsher suggested that as well, which I am going to do, I am using spectre tubing(i will drill a hole and run a rubber grommet, w/ nipple) it is easier to fab then tapping the TB(if i screw up, a new 90 elbow is $13 bucks..Stephen
 
Top