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Ballast resistor still needed?

tonytheplumber

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Is there any reason to keep the ballast resistor if I’m running a complete Mustang 5.0L injection system? The replacement chassis harness (don’t know the manf., was in the Bronco when I bought it) has it and it’s currenlty mounted on the firewall. If I’m using the complete 5.0 engine management system, I shouldn’t need it, correct? If this is correct, what am I supposed to do with the corresponding wires (in my case they are two white wires and two blue wires)?
Thanks in advance for any guidance.
 

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You don't need it but it won't hurt anything to keep it. That wire should now be activating a relay and its impedance is far greater than the single digit impedance of the resistor. In other words, it won't drop voltage enough to cause a problem with the relay.
 
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You don't need it but it won't hurt anything to keep it. That wire should now be activating a relay and its impedance is far greater than the single digit impedance of the resistor. In other words, it won't drop voltage enough to cause a problem with the relay.

Thank you for the reply Viperwolf1. I’m mainly just looking to clean up the firewall a bit if I can. As it’s wired right now, the two blue wires are tied together to one side of the resistor and the two whites on the other side. Is this even wired correctly? The truck has not been on the road with this chassis harness installed so I’ve got no clue of the functionality of it.
If I want to eliminate the resister, what configuration of connections will I need to make?
 

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I would need to know where each wire is going to tell you anything more.
 

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The colors sound like a Centech harness, but could be anyone's "universal" type with some GM color codes.
But Centech harnesses are very common on our EB's.

Is there a cool looking little hot-rod looking fuse panel in the glove box with 10 or 12 mini-fuses in it?
Of course, that panel (if it's got it's black cover intact) will say Centech right on it.

If one White wire goes to the ignition coil's Positive terminal, and the other runs over to the starter relay's "I" terminal (might even say "solenoid I term"), and at least one of the Blue wires says "ign +" on it, then it's a very common pre-computer setup.
But since you're already running EFI, then like Viper said you definitely need to know what each one does now, because they don't (or should not) do what they originally did.

If they've been re-purposed for the EFI, you need to know what each one does on your particular setup. Unfortunately there is not just one way to hook these things up.
Garage-creativity rules the day!

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The colors sound like a Centech harness, but could be anyone's "universal" type with some GM color codes.
But Centech harnesses are very common on our EB's.

Is there a cool looking little hot-rod looking fuse panel in the glove box with 10 or 12 mini-fuses in it?
Of course, that panel (if it's got it's black cover intact) will say Centech right on it.

If one White wire goes to the ignition coil's Positive terminal, and the other runs over to the starter relay's "I" terminal (might even say "solenoid I term"), and at least one of the Blue wires says "ign +" on it, then it's a very common pre-computer setup.
But since you're already running EFI, then like Viper said you definitely need to know what each one does now, because they don't (or should not) do what they originally did.

If they've been re-purposed for the EFI, you need to know what each one does on your particular setup. Unfortunately there is not just one way to hook these things up.
Garage-creativity rules the day!


Paul

I would need to know where each wire is going to tell you anything more.
So it ends up it IS a Centech harness, but somewhere along the line between the previous owner and myself, the cover for the fuse panel is MIA. The bottom side of the circuit panel says "Centech BR-100".

The blue wires are both labeled "IGN PWR" (ignition power, I assume), and the white wires both have "COIL +" on them. Both blues have ring terminals and are fastened to one side of the resistor and both of the whites have ring terminals and are fastened to the opposite side.

The EFI was not in the picture for this truck until I purchased it. The previous owner had it set up for a carb and who knows what ignition system. I bought the truck minus engine. It's a fiberglass project which I'm the third owner of and it has never seen the road. I suppose I could dissect the Centech harness and rid it of what isn't needed any longer?? Which brings me to another question: While I was poking around this morning looking over the harness (which I admittedly have not done since I have much bigger fish to fry on this truck before I tackle that) I realized that the fuse block, nor any other part of the harness which I can see inside the truck, does not contain a flasher for the turn signals or for the hazards. What is the story there?? I'm using an IDIDIT steering column which mimics the GM factory column so I will have to use a GM style plug at the base of the column for the ignition and turn signal wiring. Am I missing the flasher location somehow or are they using an electronic flasher in a remote location other than the fuse block?
 
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Here are the pics I took earlier.
 

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Its been a while since I installed my Centech harness, but it did have two connectors for two flashers. I can access them by
removing the ashtray, so they should be in that general area. They get wired into the turn signal connector. Here's a link to the instructions:
https://tomsoffroad.com/
 

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The blue wires are both labeled "IGN PWR" (ignition power, I assume), and the white wires both have "COIL +" on them. Both blues have ring terminals and are fastened to one side of the resistor and both of the whites have ring terminals and are fastened to the opposite side.

First off, I would remove the resistor no matter what. I could be wrong, but a ballast resistor bolted to a fiberglass panel puts a bit of burned fiberglass in your future. Or at least delaminated from the heat generated by the coiled wire inside. If the backside is open and you can see the coils, it would almost certainly burn the fiberglass.

You need to follow each wire to it's other end to know what can be kept and what can be eliminated. Sorry I was not clear on that.
We know the basic function, and we know they're all at the resistor. We just don't know where the other ends terminate.
If it's as-wired by Centech (no guarantee of that of course) then both Blue wires are simply keyed 12v power. Which means they will not be needed for the ignition duties with your Ford EFI setup. But you can use either one for 12v switched duties for the new engine harness.

In theory (but we know how that goes!) one White wire heads out to the ignition coil and the other heads back over to the starter relay's I post.
You can check each of those easily. At the starter relay/solenoid itself, look for the "I" post (right hand side, on the starter side of the relay) and you should see the White wire. On the coil, verify what is connected to the positive "+" side terminal.

Here again, it's not used for ignition duties with your Ford EFI setups, but it can be utilized as a START-only signal for the computer.

The EFI was not in the picture for this truck until I purchased it.

Is that a Painless or Ford Racing harness for the EFI? There is at least one other harness in your pictures, because Centech does not use striped wires such as that Green w/yellow wire in one of the pics.


I suppose I could dissect the Centech harness and rid it of what isn't needed any longer?

Well, you could... But I'm not sure I'd go to the trouble. If it is relatively unmolested then all you normally need to worry about are the business ends where they connect to the loads. And for the EFI all you need are the following:
1. Constant 12v power.
2. Switched 12v power.
3. Start-only 12v power.
4-12. Good grounds!;D

And that's about it. Of course you need your sensor wires for both the computer and the gauges (different for each function) and anything else you add, but those three (plus many grounds of course!) are the main interfaces between the chassis and engine harnesses.

...I realized that the fuse block, nor any other part of the harness which I can see inside the truck, does not contain a flasher for the turn signals or for the hazards. What is the story there?

As Scott said, the Centech harness comes with a pair of flasher units wired to their own branch of the harness. So yours is hopefully just tucked up way out of sight at this point. Hate to think that anyone thought it a good idea to remove them completely!
On this harness they were just saving space on the already compact fuse panel so they could have more fuses in less space.

I'm using an IDIDIT steering column which mimics the GM factory column so I will have to use a GM style plug at the base of the column for the ignition and turn signal wiring.

That's what Centech is set up like as well. You should be able to get that connector kit (plastic protector and the crimp connectors) either through Centech, Ididit, Flaming River, or your local parts store. Maybe the parts store, but it probably would confuse most of your chain store guys. Might find it at a local independent.
I have one around here that I seem to remember had that part on the shelf for some reason. I don't imagine they can sell that many, but they had one.
 
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Its been a while since I installed my Centech harness, but it did have two connectors for two flashers. I can access them by
removing the ashtray, so they should be in that general area. They get wired into the turn signal connector. Here's a link to the instructions:
https://tomsoffroad.com/

Gr8Scott, THANK YOU! I actually did email Centech yesterday and asked them to kindly email a pdf of the instructions for that harness, but I do not know if I'll hear back from them. This will be very helpful!
 
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First off, I would remove the resistor no matter what. I could be wrong, but a ballast resistor bolted to a fiberglass panel puts a bit of burned fiberglass in your future. Or at least delaminated from the heat generated by the coiled wire inside. If the backside is open and you can see the coils, it would almost certainly burn the fiberglass.

You need to follow each wire to it's other end to know what can be kept and what can be eliminated. Sorry I was not clear on that.
We know the basic function, and we know they're all at the resistor. We just don't know where the other ends terminate.
If it's as-wired by Centech (no guarantee of that of course) then both Blue wires are simply keyed 12v power. Which means they will not be needed for the ignition duties with your Ford EFI setup. But you can use either one for 12v switched duties for the new engine harness.

In theory (but we know how that goes!) one White wire heads out to the ignition coil and the other heads back over to the starter relay's I post.
You can check each of those easily. At the starter relay/solenoid itself, look for the "I" post (right hand side, on the starter side of the relay) and you should see the White wire. On the coil, verify what is connected to the positive "+" side terminal.

Here again, it's not used for ignition duties with your Ford EFI setups, but it can be utilized as a START-only signal for the computer.



Is that a Painless or Ford Racing harness for the EFI? There is at least one other harness in your pictures, because Centech does not use striped wires such as that Green w/yellow wire in one of the pics.




Well, you could... But I'm not sure I'd go to the trouble. If it is relatively unmolested then all you normally need to worry about are the business ends where they connect to the loads. And for the EFI all you need are the following:
1. Constant 12v power.
2. Switched 12v power.
3. Start-only 12v power.
4-12. Good grounds!;D

And that's about it. Of course you need your sensor wires for both the computer and the gauges (different for each function) and anything else you add, but those three (plus many grounds of course!) are the main interfaces between the chassis and engine harnesses.



As Scott said, the Centech harness comes with a pair of flasher units wired to their own branch of the harness. So yours is hopefully just tucked up way out of sight at this point. Hate to think that anyone thought it a good idea to remove them completely!
On this harness they were just saving space on the already compact fuse panel so they could have more fuses in less space.



That's what Centech is set up like as well. You should be able to get that connector kit (plastic protector and the crimp connectors) either through Centech, Ididit, Flaming River, or your local parts store. Maybe the parts store, but it probably would confuse most of your chain store guys. Might find it at a local independent.
I have one around here that I seem to remember had that part on the shelf for some reason. I don't imagine they can sell that many, but they had one.
I will be removing the resistor in short order, before the truck ever hits the road. I don't need any kind of heat related damage or potential fire.
I will also trace the white and blue wires back to their source and decide if they are needed or not.

It is indeed a Painless harness.

I did poke my head up under the dash and locate the two flashers along with at least one relay. Not seeing them on the fuse panel just kinda threw me.

I did order a Painless GM conversion steering column connector via Summit. I will get that wired in as well.

Sorry my replies aren't in the appropriate location after the your questions. I can' seem to figure out how to do that %)

Also, Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my inquiries. I know I will have more in the coming weeks as I get ready to fire this pig up.
 

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...I did poke my head up under the dash and locate the two flashers along with at least one relay. Not seeing them on the fuse panel just kinda threw me.

I can see how that would happen. A lot of the larger aftermarket fuse panels and boxes have them integrated. Doesn't hurt the performance either way, but does not fit the smaller panel very well.
More stuff to dig for, but at least these things don't fail or need checking very often.

I did order a Painless GM conversion steering column connector via Summit. I will get that wired in as well.

It's pretty straightforward, but there always seems to be one or two wires that for some reason don't seem to go where they're expected. Doesn't help too, that Centech uses odd wording on the wires for the horn.

But the way it's wired does allow you to wire up the horn circuit either with, or without the relay. I think they did this to let people be comfortable with keeping the old stock setup. But you should always utilize the relay.
Makes for a louder horn and less wear and tear on the horn button contacts.

Sorry my replies aren't in the appropriate location after the your questions. I can' seem to figure out how to do that %) up.

Easy enough once you get the hang of it and if you don't mind taking the extra time to do it.
After you hit the "quote" button, you copy-n-paste (using the CTRL and C keys, then the CRTL and V keys) to do the rest.
First copy the initial opening quote phrase (after highlighting it of course) that looks like this:
tonytheplumber:xxxxxx etc and paste it at the beginning of everything you want to be a separate category. Then you copy-n-paste the end quote phrase that looks like: [/QUOTE said:
at the end of each original section.
Then just type your answer after that.

Everything that is between the opening quote and the end quote in brackets will show as quoted, then everything you type outside of that will just look like standard wording.
See? Easier to do than to figure it all out from what I say!

Paul
 
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Easy enough once you get the hang of it and if you don't mind taking the extra time to do it.

Think I got it
It's pretty straightforward, but there always seems to be one or two wires that for some reason don't seem to go where they're expected. Doesn't help too, that Centech uses odd wording on the wires for the horn.

Yep, I got it. Thanks, Paul!
 
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