351 Windsor EFI

[Waverous]

Who makes a decent EFI setup for a 351 Windsor? Any chance Ford made a EFI 351 Windsor setup? Isn't a Ford Lightening a 351W EFI?<br> Thank you one and all!

 

[bsaunder]

yes, the lightening is a 351W efi, many vans and some pickups have them too. All of the trucks and vans use speed denisty - not a big deal if your going to leave the engine stock, but if you are going to modify it, you'll want to switch to mass-air. The Lightening is going to have the lowest height to it and the van the highest (ie you most likely will not be able to fit it under your hood). Most of the 351W efi lower intakes will match up to a GT40/Cobra upper from a mustang, and will then fit under your hood. Or you can take any 351W and add a GT40 351W upper an lower intake or a Trickflow 351W upper and lower intake - then just get a 351W efi distributor and the rest of the EFI parts from 5.0 and run.<br><br>I don't think there is any kit out there persay - but adding EFI to a 351W is really not much different than adding it to a 302.

 

[mlogan24]

I personally will be going mass air with the Trick Flow intakes and Ford stuff, but another option you now have is Edelbrock's Pro-Flo multipoint EFI for the 351W. Summit and Jeg's will have it. My brother runs it on his SB Chevy and it runs great (works well to, 14ish sec 1/4 time and 20 mpg on the highway).

 

[Broncobowsher]

The lightening setup has one big drawback. It is to be run with an E4OD trans. Leave off the trans and the computer will be unhappy and give you codes for tranny problems. The E4OD is to big to fit in an early bronco. To top it off, the little computer controlled trans (that does fit in the bronco) has a different shift pattern (internal) then the big brother so it won't work.<br><br>Best bet is adapt a stang mass air or go complete aftermarket.

 

[Waverous]

I have been looking into the Edlebrock setup. Would prefer to do this a little cheaper, but.....

 

[tonto]

[quote author=Broncobowsher link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=0#84077 date=1037733466]<br>The lightening setup has one big drawback. It is to be run with an E4OD trans. Leave off the trans and the computer will be unhappy and give you codes for tranny problems. The E4OD is to big to fit in an early bronco. To top it off, the little computer controlled trans (that does fit in the bronco) has a different shift pattern (internal) then the big brother so it won't work.<br><br>Best bet is adapt a stang mass air or go complete aftermarket.<br>[/quote]<br><br> You can use all the Lightening intake components upper/lower intakes, throttle body & injectors but use it with the 5.0 H.O. computer & harness, chances are you will have better luck piecing it together off of the Corral/Windsor engine parts. Good luck, Francois.<br><br>

 

[rulebreaker]

I just pieced mine together. Its actually an 82 351W, converted to SEFI

 

[mlogan24]

Is yours mass air or speed density?<br>

 

[rulebreaker]

[quote author=mlogan24 link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=0#84230 date=1037763437]<br>Is yours mass air or speed density?<br><br>[/quote]MAF

 

[Waverous]

Im not familiar with fuel injection and I was wondering if there is a parts list somewhere of just what "pieces" are needed to construct a complete EFI setup for a 351.

 

[tonto]

[quote author=Waverous link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=0#84288 date=1037800605]<br>Im not familiar with fuel injection and I was wondering if there is a parts list somewhere of just what "pieces" are needed to construct a complete EFI setup for a 351. <br>[/quote]<br><br>I haven't read this one for a long time but it might help Click here to go to link. first one on the top of the page.

 

[bsaunder]

[quote author=Waverous link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=0#84288 date=1037800605]<br>Im not familiar with fuel injection and I was wondering if there is a parts list somewhere of just what "pieces" are needed to construct a complete EFI setup for a 351. <br>[/quote]<br>off the top of my head..lets see..<br>-intake (upper and lower)<br>- fuel rails<br>- high pressure fuel pump<br>- TFI distributor<br>- mustang wiring harness (engine and injector harness)<br>- mustang ECU (computer)<br>- sensor and relay kit<br>- throttle body<br>- EGR (unless you are going to bypass it)<br>- mass air sensor<br>- air filter<br>- injectors (24lb for a stockish 351W)<br>- coolant tubes for efi (sends coolant through intake/egr port)<br><br>.. I think thats about it, if you want part numbers I should be able to come up with some ford part numbers for most of it.

 

[rulebreaker]

That list sounds good to me. I used an LTD wire harnes on mine cuz I thought it laid out better and I already had used it in my truck on a 302.

 

[Waverous]

What years and what makes of Ford should I look for to ensure I get a Mass Air and not a Speed Density setup?

 

[rulebreaker]

[quote author=Waverous link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=0#84469 date=1037846570]<br>What years and what makes of Ford should I look for to ensure I get a Mass Air and not a Speed Density setup?<br>[/quote]I would stick with the 89-93 Mustang stuff, keeping in mind the intakes wont fit your 351.

 

[Waverous]

Guess I was asking about 351W setup specifically

 

[rulebreaker]

[quote author=Waverous link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=15#84477 date=1037848385]<br>Guess I was asking about 351W setup specifically<br>[/quote]Thats just it! It dont exist. Unless the lightning was MAF but I think it was SD. The Mustang 5.0L computer with MAF will run a 351 but you need to get an intake for a 351. There are several intakes to choose from, but new they can be pricy. I paid $250 for a gt-40 lower (351) and an explorer 5.0L upper on ebay.

 

[Waverous]

[quote author=rulebreaker link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=15#84479 date=1037848743]<br>[quote author=Waverous link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=15#84477 date=1037848385]<br>Guess I was asking about 351W setup specifically<br>[/quote]Thats just it! It dont exist. Unless the lightning was MAF but I think it was SD. The Mustang 5.0L computer with MAF will run a 351 but you need to get an intake for a 351. There are several intakes to choose from, but new they can be pricy. I paid $250 for a gt-40 lower (351) and an explorer 5.0L upper on ebay.<br>[/quote]<br><br>Thanks Rule - Guess my next question is do I need gt40 heads as well?

 

[rulebreaker]

[quote author=Waverous link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=15#84481 date=1037849014]<br>[quote author=rulebreaker link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=15#84479 date=1037848743]<br>[quote author=Waverous link=board=5;threadid=11434;start=15#84477 date=1037848385]<br>Guess I was asking about 351W setup specifically<br>[/quote]Thats just it! It dont exist. Unless the lightning was MAF but I think it was SD. The Mustang 5.0L computer with MAF will run a 351 but you need to get an intake for a 351. There are several intakes to choose from, but new they can be pricy. I paid $250 for a gt-40 lower (351) and an explorer 5.0L upper on ebay.<br>[/quote]<br><br>Thanks Rule - Guess my next question is do I need gt40 heads as well?<br>[/quote]Let me put it this way, In low range with good traction I can pull the front tires up. I have it on video for those who call bullshit!

 

[lpsolo]

Waverous, for the intake manifolds, have a little patience and shop on corral.net. I got both the upper and lower gt-40s for $250. Those mustang guys are always upgrading. <br><br>If you are going to be running 24lb injectors, you will need for optimum performance 70mm throttle body and maf. (It's like putting a larger carb on - the 351 can handle it.) If you do this, then the ECUIV unit will have trouble keeping up with the larger set up. Check out the FFRP catalogue, they sell the computer with the larger maf and the 24lb. Another way to go if you have the EECU unit off the mustang, is to get an aftermarket chip which will adjust the comupter for the set up.<br><br>The gt-40 heads aren't sold anymore over the counter. You can find them aftermarket. If you go with the explorer heads, they are gt-40p which, as discussed under the gt-40p thread, require different exhaust manifolds. The gt-40 heads breath easier and give more hp than the stock. If you port and polish the stock, you should get approximately 40hp more from them.<br><br>All in all the sefi on the 351w is a great set up.<br><br>