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Electrical Question - what are these?

NJBronk

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So while I have decent mechanical skills, I am completely lost when it comes to electrical stuff…

I want to replace my battery cables because the terminal connectors look like a dog has been chewing on them for 50 years. I’ve read all the posts about best cables, etc. but I really want to understand what’s going on with my power distribution:

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The positive cable from the battery goes to the black thing on the right - what is this called? What is the purpose? Does it regulate the power or just distribute?

If I want to add a stereo, etc. can I just put more ring terminals on this thing? Either side?

Is the silver box on the left a relay? I assume it’s for the aftermarket A/C but I’m not sure.
 

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The black thing is the starter relay. It sends current to the starter only when the ignition switch is turned to the start position. You can hookup other things there but they need to be on the battery cable side unless you only want them to work when the ignition switch is in the start position.

The silver thing is the horn relay, probably. It's in the right location but it has an aftermarket look to it.
 

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the relay on the right is the standard factory Ford starter relay, used for decades. Yes, you can add other power consumers to the supply side of it...the left side.

The other relay is not factory, so your assumption that its for aftermarket AC is probably a good one. You'll also find aftermarket relays installed to operate the (upgraded) head lights, or additional spot/flood lights.
 

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The black thing is your starter solenoid, it sends power to the starter when you rotate the key to start. As for the relay next to it, you'd have to trace the wires to see where they go. Thats not a OE part. This video explains the starter solenoid pretty well
 

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I replaced the horn relay on my '74 about 30 years ago. The wires are pretty short and the factory connector doesn't fit aftermarket relays. It can't move very far from that location.
 

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Silver box on left is indeed a relay, My guess would be for the horn.
Honk horn, remove power wire from relay (one on right with red insulation) and see if horn still honks.

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https://www.classicindustries.com/product/13853.html

Black thing on right is Starter Relay.
If you want to power accessories (always ON), you can add terminals (fused) to large post on left, which has battery + cable connected to it. It looks like 2 circuits have been added to it, Black wire going to fuse holder and a yello or tan wire.
The large post on right is connected to stater motor.

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Duh, that makes sense since there’s nothing between that and the starter….

Like I said - pretty clueless with electrical stuff. Thanks everyone!
 

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The black thing is your starter solenoid...
The starter solenoid is the small cylinder on top of the starter motor. The starter relay is on the inner fender.
This video...
...is all kinds of RONG. The posts on the starter relay are not "poles", so it's not a 4-pole anything.
If I want to add a stereo, etc. can I just put more ring terminals on this thing? Either side?
You CAN do anything you want. But simply stacking rings on the starter relay hot side isn't best for every accessory. Study this page:

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I assume it’s for the aftermarket A/C but I’m not sure.
Follow its wires and tell (or show) us what they're connected to.
 

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The starter solenoid is the small cylinder on top of the starter motor. The starter relay is on the inner fender.

...is all kinds of RONG. The posts on the starter relay are not "poles", so it's not a 4-pole anything.

You CAN do anything you want. But simply stacking rings on the starter relay hot side isn't best for every accessory. Study this page:

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Follow its wires and tell (or show) us what they're connected to.
My starter doesn't have anything cylindrical on top of the starter motor. It has a metal cover (oe style starter)and I have no idea what's under it, maybe it's a different form of a solenoid. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but for what it's worth Toms calls this a starter solenoid. I've also heard it called the "Steal me 1000" lol
 

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My starter doesn't have anything cylindrical on top of the starter motor. It has a metal cover (oe style starter)and I have no idea what's under it, maybe it's a different form of a solenoid. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but for what it's worth Toms calls this a starter solenoid. I've also heard it called the "Steal me 1000" lol
If you were to take that cover off of the OE starter that would indeed be the starter solenoid. I don’t know much about electrical systems but I think Tom’s is mislabeling the relay.

Randy
 

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If you were to take that cover off of the OE starter that would indeed be the starter solenoid. I don’t know much about electrical systems but I think Tom’s is mislabeling the relay.

Randy
Throughout the years, they have often been called starter solenoids, but they are in fact relays. I’m sure Paul or someone will enlighten us with the history on this.

If you Google, “Ford Solenoid” you’ll see.

I’d bet it’s because it’s technically called the starter solenoid SWITCH, which in fact is the relay switch that tells the solenoid to run the starter. And then people just leave off the switch word part.
 

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As I understand it, a relay closes an electrical contact only. Electromechanical in our case.
Doing no physical labor other than that.
I think there are some purely electronic relays around, but I have no familiarity with them.
A solenoid actually does physical labor by moving some mechanical parts. That’s why the piggyback cylinder thingy on a starter is a solenoid.
It is an electrical contact switch, possibly even called a relay, but because it moves a lever arm that shoves the drive gear into the engagement mode, it becomes a solenoid.

Ford always listed the fender mounted device as a “starter relay“ in their diagrams and texts.
Back in the day, many, or maybe most of the aftermarket manufacturers, listed it as a “switch“ on the box label.
Another term apparently used a lot in Canada is “mag switch“ or “magnetic switch“.
There is also, another term that I have seen used on box labels over the years and now I can’t remember what it is exactly. But I believe it had its roots in either Latin or French.
Maybe it was “connecteur” or something similar?

Since most people over the years have called it a solenoid, I believe most of the aftermarket parts manufactures, including Motorcraft, now list it as a solenoid on the label.
Doesn’t change the definition of the device, just means that they’ve caved in to popular lore.

At the same time some of our original Bendix type starters were made (which don’t have a solenoid) Ford also made solenoid type starters.
You might find those on a 460 equipped vehicle, whereas they continued to use the Bendix design on our 302s until sometime in the 80s when they switched over to what we call a mini starter, but Ford calls a PMGR starter with the piggyback solenoid.
Similar in design to the starters that most people are familiar with who ever owned a GM vehicle. They used solenoid starters, practically forever as far as my lifetime is concerned.

I’m pretty sure everybody started calling these things on the fender, a starter solenoid, because they didn’t know any different.
I think most people, even today, didn’t even know what a relay was. And since it had something to do with engaging a starter, it must be a solenoid!
Besides, apparently aftermarket companies in the early days, only knew General Motors products and didn’t really take the time to note the differences in Fords.
One of the reasons we get locking hubs from Warn and others that fit right on a GM vehicle and allow you to reuse the snap rings, where the snap rings usually won’t fit on a Ford.
Test on a Chevy, and don’t bother to note the few thousandths difference on a Ford. But sell it as a universal fit for Ford, Chevy and Dodge.

The word switch is correct, because a relay is simply a remotely controlled switch.
You do the manual work with the ignition switch on the dash, and the relay switches on the starter as a result.
Takes the majority of the load off of the light duty ignition switch and puts it on a heavy duty remote switch/relay.

This is just my hack's eye view of things. There are members here, who are far more versed in actual electric and mechanical and magnetic theory, and workings.
So hopefully they will correct any misinformation I might have put forth.
And some are even older than I am(!) and might have a different take on why they started being called solenoids.
Maybe because the electromechanical switch was such a robust item that they decided to call it a solenoid because it does the manual labor of closing the contacts.
Don’t know, but it’s still a relay.
 
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My starter doesn't have anything cylindrical on top of the starter motor.
Then it doesn't have a starter solenoid.

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It has a metal cover (oe style starter)and I have no idea what's under it...
A swinging pole shoe.

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...maybe it's a different form of a solenoid.
It's a mechanism that accomplishes the functions of the solenoid, but it's not a solenoid - it's an integral part of the motor.
...for what it's worth Toms calls this a starter solenoid.
Not much. ;) If they called it a flux capacitor, it would still BE a relay. For what it's worth, Ford calls that a "relay". Since it's used to send current to the starter, it's the starter relay.
I’d bet it’s because it’s technically called the starter solenoid SWITCH...
I've never seen or heard anyone technical call it that. Within the Ford parts system (which is not known for being technically correct), it's called a switch (because that's the original component that it replaced), but modern packaging is changing to say relay.

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