Ford Godzilla Crate Engine

[nvrstuk]

This is a common sight in the Sierra Nevada's and Cascades.

the other thing that has to be taken into consideration is differences in transmission technology from a 4r100 to a 10r140, night and day difference towing or hauling when you can keep the motor in its sweet spot.

Right on!! Great country to see in areas like this!

 

[Quick & Dirty]

I'll throw this in here since it wasn't too easy to find in a search. Weight is 538 lbs.

 

[Yeller]

Dimensionally it will fit better than you would think. A 2” body lift should clear a stock hood and might be enough to clear the back of the motor, worst case 1-1/2” firewall adjustment will solve it.

In no way am encouraging my behavior or endorsing my behavior:-X but it's dimensionally not too different and weight is fairly close as well. 2” body lift or cowl hood or a car intake it clears the hood and bolts in as easy as a 351w.

Just trying to help put the physical size into perspective.

 

[Broncobowsher]

I see 2 different sets of numbers. One shows crank centerline to bottom of pan at 11.5" and another at 8"

 

[Jmjuhl]

Dimensionally it will fit better than you would think. A 2” body lift should clear a stock hood and might be enough to clear the back of the motor, worst case 1-1/2” firewall adjustment will solve it.

In no way am encouraging my behavior or endorsing my behavior:-X but it's dimensionally not too different and weight is fairly close as well. 2” body lift or cowl hood or a car intake it clears the hood and bolts in as easy as a 351w.

Just trying to help put the physical size into perspective.

I have had the crate motor sitting in my cart to checkout all day and going back and forth..You definitely are enabling...haha. I have a long way to go on my project so I have time to wait for the Ford control pack.

They already have shorter oil pans for aftermarket and intakes are coming. Cowl hood would cover it which I'm not opposed to. The firewall modification would be my main issue.

I have a long way to go on my build but this thing ticks a lot of boxes for me. Once I started pricing out a built 351W you realize that the 408 isn't far off price wise and gets you 425-450HP and 475-500 torque. Then you start pricing in EFI kits/swaps/donor vehicles/tuning and that leads to researching Coyote's and modern swaps. Essentially the Godzilla could be done for a bit more than a crate 408, and do everything I asked it to do for a very very long time, and do it reliably.

 

[Yeller]

I see 2 different sets of numbers. One shows crank centerline to bottom of pan at 11.5" and another at 8"

One is Godzilla and the other is errr ummm an LS truck engine, the reason for my him-n-hawing, which I have bronco experience with.

 

[hossbronco]

It also greatly simplifies the 6R80 installation. I bought my 427W Stroker before all these Godzilla builds started coming out, and I had been buying ancillary components for a while, but recently I have been wondering how long I need to run the 427 before I can justify the Godzilla. The truth is, I think I'll be pretty happy with the stroker unless I start having issues with the transmission.

 

[nvrstuk]

Packaging to me is important not only for looks but for maintenance if and when down the road.

If it was me and I was 6 months or more away from being ready to start fitting an engine in I'd wait till the last month before ordering. Prices could change, could find a totalled rig with 10K miles on it for half the price of a new one and then use those saved funds on different intakes, oil pans, cams and tuning.

Just me but it seems like I hear/read a lot of build threads that all the parts are purchased and either the builder changes their mind, newer cooler stuff comes out or the build doesn't get finished.

Just a thought.

 

[Jmjuhl]

Packaging to me is important not only for looks but for maintenance if and when down the road.

If it was me and I was 6 months or more away from being ready to start fitting an engine in I'd wait till the last month before ordering. Prices could change, could find a totalled rig with 10K miles on it for half the price of a new one and then use those saved funds on different intakes, oil pans, cams and tuning.

Just me but it seems like I hear/read a lot of build threads that all the parts are purchased and either the builder changes their mind, newer cooler stuff comes out or the build doesn't get finished.

Just a thought.

Very valid thought and also why I haven't pulled the trigger. Have seen pullouts starting to pop up with the 10r140 trans (too big) in the $10-11k range. Summit has the crate motor for just over $6100...will pair it with the Tremec 4050 5 speed and grab one of the first Ford control packs when they surface. It's not so much price changes I'm worried about, But supply chain issues. Would hate to get to the point of "needing it" and having to let the entire project sit for months.

Have about 12 months before my tub is finished so want to get the rolling chassis mocked up and ready to go...can use existing tub for mockup before I sell it.

 

[bigmuddy]

This is a common sight in the Sierra Nevada's and Cascades.

the other thing that has to be taken into consideration is differences in transmission technology from a 4r100 to a 10r140, night and day difference towing or hauling when you can keep the motor in its sweet spot.

One of the better points made when comparing new vs old gas engines, the newer trannies really are fantastic in keeping the engine in the sweet spot.

 

[rguest3]

I just saw a video last week. Mast Motorsports is using a Holley EFI system to run the Godzilla. I think the VVT was deleted or taken off? Probably other details too.

 

[Broncobowsher]

No variable valve timing on Godzilla.

 

[nvrstuk]

Well, I shouldn't have assumed the other post was correct because I didn't know... my mistake. Why doesn't it have VVT???

 

[Quick & Dirty]

It does have variable cam timing. It can advance and retard the cam to alter the power curve and reduce pumping loss at part throttle, but can't vary overlap like a multicam engine.

 

[Broncobowsher]

What I read when it came out was it didn't run any variable cam stuff. Ford was keeping it really simple.

I also recall that the Viper (with the aid for Crane) came out with a cam in a cam to split intake and exhaust on a single cam pushrod engine.

 

[bigmuddy]

I have had the crate motor sitting in my cart to checkout all day and going back and forth..You definitely are enabling...haha. I have a long way to go on my project so I have time to wait for the Ford control pack.

They already have shorter oil pans for aftermarket and intakes are coming. Cowl hood would cover it which I'm not opposed to. The firewall modification would be my main issue.

Wouldn't it be far easier to jump push the radiator core support forward?

 

[Jmjuhl]

Wouldn't it be far easier to jump push the radiator core support forward?

It's 1.5" longer than a Windsor...might go by a Ford dealership and get a few measurements off and F250/350...I want to see full distance with factory serpentine and start from there.

From reading it sounds like headers and oil pan will be the biggest hurdles.

 

[rguest3]

Yep, the factory Exhaust manifold dumps directly over the Bronco Frame on the Driver's side. custom shorty Headers are probably best.

The oil pan fits OK on the Front and clears pretty well over the Front axle. this really depends on how low you mount the Motor.

The Godzilla shares the same modular Bellhousing as the Coyote.

I have taken some measurements of the Godzilla. Length is to the end of the Water Pump. You can find these measurements of each online.

Height, Width, Length
Godzilla - 33, 20.5, 30

351W - 29, 25, 29

Coyote - 28.75, 29, 24.60

The Godzilla, although very tall and long, is Very skinny.

 

[Jmjuhl]

Yep, the factory Exhaust manifold dumps directly over the Bronco Frame on the Driver's side. custom shorty Headers are probably best.

The oil pan fits OK on the Front and clears pretty well over the Front axle. this really depends on how low you mount the Motor.

The Godzilla shares the same modular Bellhousing as the Coyote.

I have taken some measurements of the Godzilla. Length is to the end of the Water Pump. You can find these measurements of each online.

Height, Width, Length
Godzilla - 33, 20.5, 30

351W - 29, 25, 29

Coyote - 28.75, 29, 24.60

The Godzilla, although very tall and long, is Very skinny.

Appreciate the measurements...have seen a few differing numbers on length ranging from 28.5"-30.5"...I know you have one in front of you so appreciate the real data. An inch longer than a 351W doesn't sound too problematic (famous last words).

Have seen two oil pan designs that are between 2" and 4" shallower with varying complexities already so starting to knock some height down. Was already looking at 351W/408 or Coyote so 1-2" body lift was already in the cards. 2" body lift and fiberglass hood may do it.

I think I am going to try it...I have some time to wait on Ford control pack and parts and aftermarket should catch up a bit by the time (also famous last words).

 

[Broncobowsher]

I'm courious about the width numbers. I don't see how the 7.3 could be so much narrower then the 351. Unless they are comparing with and without exhaust manifolds.