Serpentine set up

[ntsqd]

Does the SN95 pump pulley bolt on? Not thinking to reinvent an Explorer fan mount, just wondering what the options might be.

 

[Bitch'nBronco]

The pump pulley does bolt on (4 bolts), SN95s all had electric fans. The shorter pump is what made me want to install it in the first place, to give me more room for my electric fan setup. I may be able to put a flex fan on it with a shroud. I already have a high output alternator and the mustang power steering pump is adequate for my 4x4x2 box. Maybe I just saved money and time by typing this out lol, throw some sealant on the keyway of the crank, install a fan and shroud and I'm done... maybe

 

[Viperwolf1]

I'm thinking about going doing the explorer serp, does anyone know if the 94/95 SN95 timing cover/water pump is the same as the explorer? I currently have 95 Cobra front dress (I think its the same as GT) and am trying to figure out if I need everything or just the brackets/accessories

Timing cover is different. The mustang piece doesn't have bosses for the timing pointer/crank position sensor.

 

[SLOWnEASY]

A guy on an ancient yota 4x4 email list came up with the cleverest way to remove the front crank bolt that I've seen yet. Disable the ignition so that it can't start. Socket on the bolt, breaker bar with the handle resting on the driver's frame rail, extensions as needed for it to just sit there. Now bump the starter and watch that bolt spin loose. The nervous-nellies on the list were concerned for the radiator. I've never had even a close call, but an EB's radiator is in a slightly different location so caution is needed until proven to not be an problem.

I've always busted crank bolts loose that way. I remember my autoshop instructor saying the starter motor has like 2 HP which is way more force than I can muster by myself in the confines of under the hood.

 

[ntsqd]

Timing cover is different. The mustang piece doesn't have bosses for the timing pointer/crank position sensor.

Looking up the timing cover on RA for a 2000 Explorer and a '95 Mustang the Dorman (635106), ATP (103039), & Pioneer (500302T) replacement timing covers are the the same part number for both vehicles. In looking at the balancer pics on RA it appears that the Explorer system (belt pulley as part of the balancer) moves the belt even closer to the engine than the SN95 system (pulley bolts to front of balancer), but that could be just a different damper + pulley design. I have a complete Explorer front dress off the engine but I don't know that I've ever seen an SN95 front dress system. If both pumps place the pulley in the same location, then an SN95 equipped engine could use the Explorer coolant pump to convert to the Explorer mechanical fan without disturbing any of the rest of the system.

 

[Bitch'nBronco]

Looking up the timing cover on RA for a 2000 Explorer and a '95 Mustang the Dorman (635106), ATP (103039), & Pioneer (500302T) replacement timing covers are the the same part number for both vehicles. In looking at the balancer pics on RA it appears that the Explorer system (belt pulley as part of the balancer) moves the belt even closer to the engine than the SN95 system (pulley bolts to front of balancer), but that could be just a different damper + pulley design. I have a complete Explorer front dress off the engine but I don't know that I've ever seen an SN95 front dress system. If both pumps place the pulley in the same location, then an SN95 equipped engine could use the Explorer coolant pump to convert to the Explorer mechanical fan without disturbing any of the rest of the system.

This vid may or may not be helpful, I can take more pictures of the SN95 setup if you'd like

Edit:I'll try to upload again later.

 

[Viperwolf1]

Looking up the timing cover on RA for a 2000 Explorer and a '95 Mustang the Dorman (635106), ATP (103039), & Pioneer (500302T) replacement timing covers are the the same part number for both vehicles. In looking at the balancer pics on RA it appears that the Explorer system (belt pulley as part of the balancer) moves the belt even closer to the engine than the SN95 system (pulley bolts to front of balancer), but that could be just a different damper + pulley design. I have a complete Explorer front dress off the engine but I don't know that I've ever seen an SN95 front dress system. If both pumps place the pulley in the same location, then an SN95 equipped engine could use the Explorer coolant pump to convert to the Explorer mechanical fan without disturbing any of the rest of the system.

Explorer on the left, mustang on the right. You can probably use the explorer cover on a stock mustang. You can't use the mustang cover on an explorer unless you find a way to mount a crank position sensor. It makes sense that the aftermarket only makes the explorer cover.

 

[ntsqd]

If we're just using the Explorer front dress to get the superior coolant pump design then the timing cover having or not having the CPS mount is of no consequence unless whatever EFI system is on the engine needs it.

 

[LittleBeefy]

I just completed the Exploder front dress swap myself. That tech write-up is excellent. But now I'm stuck. I've got everything done except for hooking up the radiator. I bought the upper and lower hose kits from BC Broncos (which are just stock hoses for another application) and neither of them came close to fitting. For now for the upper, I just cut the original stock hose and am using a coupler to re-angle for the 90 degree thermostat housing. It looks like crap but appears to fit. The lower hose is nowhere close to fitting because it will definitely hit the fan. That may be because I have a 2" body lift. I've looked at a bunch of "solutions" where people have cut up other stock hoses but I think I've seen a dozen versions and none of them mention a body lift. Anyone have a recommendation? If it matters, I currently have a manual radiator installed but I have a stock automatic radiator in my shop that I could swap in instead if it made a difference.

BTW, since it was brought up, I paid $100 for both brackets, the timing cover, the water pump pulley, the PS pump with pulley and the reservoir, all the idlers and tensioner, the fan clutch and every single bolt. I found it on Facebook Marketplace. I found others who were offering similar pricing. The deals are out there if you look.

 

[toddz69]

I just completed the Exploder front dress swap myself. That tech write-up is excellent. But now I'm stuck. I've got everything done except for hooking up the radiator. I bought the upper and lower hose kits from BC Broncos (which are just stock hoses for another application) and neither of them came close to fitting. For now for the upper, I just cut the original stock hose and am using a coupler to re-angle for the 90 degree thermostat housing. It looks like crap but appears to fit. The lower hose is nowhere close to fitting because it will definitely hit the fan. That may be because I have a 2" body lift. I've looked at a bunch of "solutions" where people have cut up other stock hoses but I think I've seen a dozen versions and none of them mention a body lift. Anyone have a recommendation? If it matters, I currently have a manual radiator installed but I have a stock automatic radiator in my shop that I could swap in instead if it made a difference.

BTW, since it was brought up, I paid $100 for both brackets, the timing cover, the water pump pulley, the PS pump with pulley and the reservoir, all the idlers and tensioner, the fan clutch and every single bolt. I found it on Facebook Marketplace. I found others who were offering similar pricing. The deals are out there if you look.

On your upper, have you tried the '68 GTO upper? It handles the 90 deg thermostat just fine. You may need to do something creative in terms of keeping the hose out of the pulley on the other end but it can be done.

Todd Z.

 

[LittleBeefy]

On your upper, have you tried the '68 GTO upper? It handles the 90 deg thermostat just fine. You may need to do something creative in terms of keeping the hose out of the pulley on the other end but it can be done.

Todd Z.

Yes. That is the upper hose I am using. I went back and played around with it a bit. I can get it to work by routing on top of the P/S bracket, but it looks kinda funny. I'm guessing it fits better with that lower Saginaw pulley and an extended shroud.

The lower hose is still a problem. I’m using Gates 22690 off a 2003 SD. It gets mentioned repeatedly as a working solution. Seems like I don’t have as much clearance as others and the 2” body lift exacerbates it. I’ve heard trim one end, trim two ends, cut it and couple it with part of the original lower Bronco hose, or use flexible hose. It seems like it routes from the pump inlet around the fan okay, but ends up bending towards the ground instead of up towards the radiator outlet. Not sure what I should have to do to it to make it fit.

 

[toddz69]

Yes. That is the upper hose I am using. I went back and played around with it a bit. I can get it to work by routing on top of the P/S bracket, but it looks kinda funny. I'm guessing it fits better with that lower Saginaw pulley and an extended shroud.

The lower hose is still a problem. I’m using Gates 22690 off a 2003 SD. It gets mentioned repeatedly as a working solution. Seems like I don’t have as much clearance as others and the 2” body lift exacerbates it. I’ve heard trim one end, trim two ends, cut it and couple it with part of the original lower Bronco hose, or use flexible hose. It seems like it routes from the pump inlet around the fan okay, but ends up bending towards the ground instead of up towards the radiator outlet. Not sure what I should have to do to it to make it fit.

I never got the SD lower to work on mine either.

Todd Z.

 

[73azbronco]

I made a few trips to pick and pull came out with a handful of oem correct still shiny serp bolts, this was 10 years ago. I bet Explorers are rarer than EB's seeing as cash for clunkers killed thousands of them

 

[toddz69]

I made a few trips to pick and pull came out with a handful of oem correct still shiny serp bolts, this was 10 years ago. I bet Explorers are rarer than EB's seeing as cash for clunkers killed thousands of them

They're becoming a lot more rare (the V8 versions) because they're simply aging out - happens with every vehicle. They were fairly plentiful up until about 5-6 years ago.

Todd Z.

 

[Broncobowsher]

The newest one is 25 years old now. In AZ you could get antique (historic?) plates for one now.

Remember when you could get a fox body mustang for cheap and get a late model EFI engine from one? Oops, those are collectors now.

A few years back I was on a hunt for some stuff. Hitting all the u-pull yards. Started asking what was there oldest Ford before I went in. 1985. Didn't even drop my $2 to go in.

 

[Mclock]

I just completed the Exploder front dress swap myself. That tech write-up is excellent. But now I'm stuck. I've got everything done except for hooking up the radiator. I bought the upper and lower hose kits from BC Broncos (which are just stock hoses for another application) and neither of them came close to fitting. For now for the upper, I just cut the original stock hose and am using a coupler to re-angle for the 90 degree thermostat housing. It looks like crap but appears to fit. The lower hose is nowhere close to fitting because it will definitely hit the fan. That may be because I have a 2" body lift. I've looked at a bunch of "solutions" where people have cut up other stock hoses but I think I've seen a dozen versions and none of them mention a body lift. Anyone have a recommendation? If it matters, I currently have a manual radiator installed but I have a stock automatic radiator in my shop that I could swap in instead if it made a difference.

BTW, since it was brought up, I paid $100 for both brackets, the timing cover, the water pump pulley, the PS pump with pulley and the reservoir, all the idlers and tensioner, the fan clutch and every single bolt. I found it on Facebook Marketplace. I found others who were offering similar pricing. The deals are out there if you look.

Lower rad hose off an 02 f250 diesel 7.3 will work with bit of trimming.

 

[Mclock]

If you want the stock p/s pump with the bracket, give me 24 hrs and let me see if I can get one for you. I presume you don't need the A/C compressor? I see one bracket (with no pulleys or pump) on ebay and that's a ripoff.

Todd Z.

Don’t think the pump will fit under the hood. I plan on going ac

 

[toddz69]

I just completed the Exploder front dress swap myself. I've got everything done except for hooking up the radiator. I bought the upper and lower hose kits from BC Broncos (which are just stock hoses for another application) and neither of them came close to fitting. For now for the upper, I just cut the original stock hose and am using a coupler to re-angle for the 90 degree thermostat housing. It looks like crap but appears to fit. The lower hose is nowhere close to fitting because it will definitely hit the fan. That may be because I have a 2" body lift. I've looked at a bunch of "solutions" where people have cut up other stock hoses but I think I've seen a dozen versions and none of them mention a body lift. Anyone have a recommendation? If it matters, I currently have a manual radiator installed but I have a stock automatic radiator in my shop that I could swap in instead if it made a difference.

You mention the BC kit being a stock hoses for another application - is the lower solution they sold you a hose or a coupler and two short sections of hose?

Todd Z.

 

[LittleBeefy]

You mention the BC kit being a stock hoses for another application - is the lower solution they sold you a hose or a coupler and two short sections of hose?

Todd Z.

I misspoke. The lower hose is the SD hose that others use as well. I got it on RockAuto. I got it to work by cutting about a 3rd of it off and using most of the original lower (just trimming the water pump end).

 

[sanndmann3]

Boy I fell asleep this summer scrolling too much on facebook and totally missed this discussion...
The donor vehicles for these parts are 96-01 Explorers & Mountaineers.
The newest ones are 25 years old and the supply has dwindled to a trickle but they do pop up on occasion in the 4 yards I look in.
The harmonic bolt trick is a good one but since all the batteries are removed I use a 5/16 or 3/8 allen wrench and stick it in one of the balance holes in the harmonic and then rotate it till it jams against the waterpump. works every time... lol
Some bolts I have lots of extras and others I do not.
PM me if you are in need, I know for sure that the long bracket bolts are in short supply.
Also have some of the Explorer unique water pump pulley...
Let me know what you might be looking for...