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347 Build ?

EB70

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I am somewhat curious as to what type of HP and other results I can pull out of the following parts? It came out of a Bronco and is going in a car for awhile and eventually into back into a Bronco for snow/Sand bashing. The previous owner had a way too small Performer intake and a performer cam. He said it was torquey as heck-I can imagine. I will be upgrading the cam and intake but that is about it.

Early 73 302 block
347 kit-unknown maker at this point
Performer heads -5.0 1.94 intakes
Roller rockers - cranes
Eddy RPM Airgap
Holley 750 3310
Fully Studded and lots of other niceties
Full MSD Ignition/Box and so forth

What I do not know is what the compression ratio is.

I have searched the internet as a whole and I get a lot of EFI stuff etc. Or radical 11:1 race stuff etc.

Practically speaking what type of HP are you guys seeing out of carbed 347's?

Looking at putting in a solid cam somewhere in the 230-ish at .050 but otherwise leaving it as it is listed.
 

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Didn't list the cam, didn't list compression.

Normally I would refer you to the 20 questions for stroker owners thread, but 347s are rare in the Bronco world. Most start with the larger 351 and go up from there.

But given the randomness of the parts, 350 HP From the intake and carb, and the too small of a head comment, it is probably a higher winding engine.
It could be a 250HP dog, or a ripping 450HP beast. Too many unknowns. So the middle of the road, 350HP.
 
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EB70

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I am choosing the cam, it had an eddy performer cam, which is so small I would install it in a 302 2-barrel for a little torque. I believe it is 204-214 at .050.

Looking at a typical street/strip cam around 230 at .050 and .520 lift or so.

Compression is unknown as my engine is stored away from me at the moment.

It really is a bit of a guess I suppose. I haven't ran any type of a stroker 347. I have built a few regular performance 302's.
 

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Unknown, not enough info to determine whats in it, to tell whats it going to do.

Motor described as torqy, did you drive it?

I have a performer intake and heads but a custom grind cam with 10-11 CR.

I expect 425 HP and 450 Tq. And it won't dop much above 5,500 rpm, but why would I need a truck to rev beyond 6k?

It's all about matching all the parts, throwing in another cam, without knowing the CR is IMO a waist of time.
 
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No I didn't drive it unfortunately. I think I asked a bad question. Trust me, I am quite mechanical, but I don't have it with me to look at the piston dish and measure quench etc.
 

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Here's a picture of my SCAT 347 Billet crank from their stroker kit after 15k miles. A casting flaw (bubbble) caused it to crack in the middle of a journal and it ate the rest of my engine. SCAT would ONLY warranty the crankshaft and I was out my original 289 block and the rest of the rotating parts.

I would HIGHLY recommend NOT buying from SCAT.

The owner/manager I dealt with was a complete rambling prick that was telling stories about people getting drunk and falling down. It was insanity.
 

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That was not a billit crank. It looks cast (although may be forged but can't see enough of it to know). That surface texture will not be on a billit crank as they are fully machined cranks from a giant piece of round stock.

And it is common to only warranty the part itself, not everything around it. That is where an engine builder (with a good warranty) comes into play. They will warranty the whole engine. But you pay more for that. Warranties are not free, you pay for them in the price you pay. When shopping for low cost parts, you get what you pay for in the warranty department.

Could your crank have been caught by quality control? Yes, but X-raying every crankshaft is going to get expensive. When buying a cast crank it is generally a price point purchase. And that cast crank probably came out of the same foundry in China that makes cranks for every other place as well.

Yes, you got burned by a broken speed part. But it did last 15k. That original 289 block only came with a 12k warranty when Ford made it new. And if you got the k-code option it was only a 3k warranty. So in some aspects of the build, you were out of warranty as well.
 

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No I didn't drive it unfortunately. I think I asked a bad question. Trust me, I am quite mechanical, but I don't have it with me to look at the piston dish and measure quench etc.

I'm just saying based on what you know, leave it alone and run it.

Or if you have to recam it, open it up and figure out what pistons are in it.

Those heads and intake are fine for 450/450 hp/tq

Funny thing last week Got into it with my Jeep service guy, great guy, long time ford stroker mustang engine builder. Claims a 347 is all bad and 331 is the only way to go. He would not listen to the facts of what happens in current versions of 347 kits and 347 specific KB piston sets, only believes 347s would wear out in 10,000 miles because of increased skirt/rod angle. I said if all I had was an extra 30 cubes I'd for sure go 351 built to 408. Mustang guys build to hit 7-8000 rpm 1/4 mile a time. I'm looking at idling over rocks with max tq at 1000 rpm.
 
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I should know more in a few days on what I have. I did a cursory teardown on it a few years ago and brought the heads home etc. The short block is at work.

I just know that I paid less for the whole engine and some really nice extras than the heads were worth used. He wanted it gone.

It was a credible story. Guy can't do mechanical work, pays a shop to build the 347 and install it. Loved driving it, lots of power etc. but due to distances and so forth the gas was eating him alive so he paid someone else to swap in a 4BT.

Lotta paying going on there......

It is most likely going to be installed in a Fox Mustang for a couple of years before I swap it into my 69 Bronco.
 

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I should know more in a few days on what I have. I did a cursory teardown on it a few years ago and brought the heads home etc. The short block is at work.

I just know that I paid less for the whole engine and some really nice extras than the heads were worth used. He wanted it gone.

It was a credible story. Guy can't do mechanical work, pays a shop to build the 347 and install it. Loved driving it, lots of power etc. but due to distances and so forth the gas was eating him alive so he paid someone else to swap in a 4BT.

Lotta paying going on there......

It is most likely going to be installed in a Fox Mustang for a couple of years before I swap it into my 69 Bronco.
The 347 can be a high rpm mustang screamer or a torquey thing based on using the correct parts for the vehicle and use you intend. First you need to figure out compression ratio as that will play a big role in the cam you choose. It not all about lift and duration. LSA and centerline come into play as well. Next you need to figure out where in the rpm range you want this engine to live and produce power then you can start picking cam, heads, intake, fuel delivery, gears tires, trans and torque converter.

The 347's lighter crank and rotating assembly makes them rev quicker than a 351 based engine. The long stroke and more cubes does give them ability to make great torque compared to a 302 and be effecient if built right.


I have a mild 347 made to look and sound stock at idle. I'm losing a little top end and mid range power with my combo but the stock look and low rpm torque were important to me. Running a SCAT rotating assembly with forged slugs. I agree cheaper Chinese parts than a full race kit and would look for better crank and rods on future build but so far I have hammered on this with no issues.

For me I did a roller cam to maintain low rpm torque and still build good power. 35-349 comp cam. .512 lift at the valve. 1.6 scorpion roller rockers. If I did it again I may try the 35-308 or custom lunati grind. 9.6:1 comp with cast iron GT40 heads for pump gas. Bc 1 5/8" headers. Mild 2 into 1 exhaust. Aluminum head would help the entire power range and allow more compression but would not look stock. Wieand dual plane intake with 1.12 4100 vacuum secondary carb on 1" phenlic spacer. FI tech may pick up some HP but carb is tuned well and I have no bog or hesitation. Small primaries keep fuel mileage at 14+ on highway if I keep it around 65.

This engine will lug the truck up a steep driveway in second gear at 1000 rpm with no bucking and sounds pretty stock at idle Peak torque appears to be in the 2600 rpm range. Geared with 4.11s to help engine in that range and it's very happy on the highway in fifth gear. Software runs agree with rpm range. Rev limiter is set to 6250 and the little vac sec 4 barrel, gt-40 heads, and dual plane have no problem getting to the rev limiter very quick in first and 2nd gear.

I'm 15,000 miles in and very happy with my combo. I did have an oil consumption issue that was valve guide seals damaged on install by head rebuilder and not the result of rod angle issues, ring flutter issues with the 347. Use good rings. Make sure the final hone grit matches your rings and final hone dimension matches the type of piston. Check ring gaps and everything should be happy.

I would love to dyno mine but if I had to guess based on my experience it's close to 400 ft lbs torque at that 2600 rpm and 350-385 hp around 4500 rpm. Very fun in a Bronco.


The point think about what you want and match all the parts to how you want to use it. Not how a mustang guy wanting 7000 rpm power or a rock crawler guy wanting 4BT torque would build it.

Good luck.

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I'm somewhere in the middle. Don't need a tractor, but don't need a 7K screamer. I should know more in the near future when I get to my engine.
 
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BTW-I appreciate your experiences Joe473 and others. I tend to modify cars over the winter and I am determining which will get me to where I want to be.

I have built hot rods before. I would assume a 347 in a fox should get me solidly into the 12's which is my goal. I already have a 3k stall etc. and other parts on hand to do it. May run the 3.73's etc. But this is kinda straying from the boards purpose.

It does sound like those of you who have run them are happy and I am hopeful in my case as well. Should pull good in a 3k car.
 

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Yes, you got burned by a broken speed part. But it did last 15k. That original 289 block only came with a 12k warranty when Ford made it new. And if you got the k-code option it was only a 3k warranty. So in some aspects of the build, you were out of warranty as well.

You are correct, it was a forged crank. My issue was more with the HORRIBLE customer service at Scat. I get they don't want to be responsible for anything but neither does the builder <- because it wasn't his fault! Even the shop I bought the parts from tried to work with Scat and they were so bad the shop stopped selling/using their parts.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack, just relaying my experience with Scat and their garbage service.
 

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I heard these issues about scat but bad assembly probably accounts for more bad issues than bad parts other than that buble issue.

My machinist went scat because he has had better luck with their quality out their door vs having to rework stuff.
 

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I heard these issues about scat but bad assembly probably accounts for more bad issues than bad parts other than that buble issue.

My machinist went scat because he has had better luck with their quality out their door vs having to rework stuff.
I had a bolt seized in a brand new connecting rod out of the box. I sent the rod back and tech guy said oh yeah that happens a lot from the supplier. 2 others I had to use and impact gun on to break loose. I checked clearances and torque and bolts very carefully on assembly. Also had them supply 157 tooth flywheel when part number identified 164 tooth took 4 weeks to resolve both issues. No other issues in $15k miles since put on the road over 3 yrs ago but initially made me very nervous.

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I have an engine at the engine builder now and he wants me to stroke it to a 347. He's very experienced so I trust him and he's built a few already. But I wanted to know how it would feel in my Bronco for street driving. This is a frame off Bronco with 4:11s, 33s, C4. The engine is a 5.0 from a 99 Explorer so GT40P heads.

Sounds like the advice Joe473 gave was very helpful.
 
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