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450HP 7.3L 'Godzilla'

Broncobowsher

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Lots of guessing in that article. No released HP numbers yet.
Comparing this to a small block? Need some dimensions but it is probably going to be comparable to a 460 more than a 302.
This is going to be the engine of the 28' U-hauls and class A motorhomes.
 

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My 7.2liter 438 Windsor stroker makes 560HP and 565ftlb not impressed ;D
 

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(...and gets 3.7 mpg?)

Actually very close to that while racing and being able to average over 50 mph across the desert. A 5.0 in a f150 can't get 20mpg, so I highly doubt that 7.3 will make 15mpg. Besides if it's in a EB who cares how much gas it uses. Probably won't get driven enough to ever matter
 
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My 7.2liter 438 Windsor stroker makes 560HP and 565ftlb not impressed ;D

Yeah, but not running to the junkyard (eventually) to grab another one
if you blow that one up. I'm just happy their might be another Ford choice
that doesn't make a small block, big block size due to the cyl heads.
 

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Yeah, but not running to the junkyard (eventually) to grab another one
if you blow that one up. I'm just happy their might be another Ford choice
that doesn't make a small block, big block size due to the cyl heads.

Even if it is as big as a big block that's a step in the right direction. Mod motors are considerable wider than an old 460 and do not weigh much less once you put alloy heads and intake in a big block. If that new engine has decent heads, it will be like an LS engine. Swap a cam and make a 100 more HP.
 

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I guess I was a little let down by the term "7.3 Godzilla" when my 03 silverado has a 8.1liter engine in it and over 600 cube big block strokers are normal and cheap these days. You can make a big block Ford a 555 with no block modifications and about 1500 bucks at scat.
 
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I guess I was a little let down by the term "7.3 Godzilla" when my 03 silverado has a 8.1liter engine in it and over 600 cube big block strokers are normal and cheap these days. You can make a big block Ford a 555 with no block modifications and about 1500 bucks at scat.

Progress, me thinks, from a company that may make a 2.3 the base engine in the new bronco............
 

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I was also excited to hear about the 7.3 gasser. This kind of engine makes a lot more sense for a Bronco than does a 5.0. When I first saw the press releases, I immediately started pondering a swap, even though I already have a 427 Windsor in my '69.

Given that it is not an overhead cam engine and will likely fit the width of the Bronco engine compartment without issue, it should all come down to the bore spacing of the engine and how compact the water pump and accessory drive is. It'll likely be larger than the 5.0 bore spacing of 3.937" (100mm) but smaller than the bore spacing of the (relatively large bore and short stroke) 460 at 4.9". My money's on somewhere between 115mm (4.527") and 120mm (4.724") although, even the 302 bore spacing of 4.380" (111mm) might satisfy the engineering requirement mentioned in the press releases of "added bore spacing for improved cooling" seeing as how it's still larger than what the 5.0 has.

Although I love my 427, I also wouldn't mind swapping in an engine that's designed to be driven HARD for very long periods of time while being as efficient as possible under those conditions.

Has anyone looked closely at the photos of the 7.3 to determine if the back of the block might bolt to a 4r70w (the modular engine version)?
 

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What ever happened to the 7.0 coyote I was hearing about? Was supposed to be the same dimensions as the 5.0 and make over 600hp N/A. Not sure the torque. But likely all high rpm HP and TQ which is why I'm not a fan of coyote swaps even if they were half the price.
 

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Good question. Ford continually gets beat up over the fact that their "sports car" engine is a little 5.0 (or 5.2) while GM and Mopar still use what are basically truck engines for their sports cars. It naturally follows that the Mustang is a better road course car than the Camaro or Challenger while suffering in around-town-seat-of-the-pants acceleration and drag racing where the bigger engines are really hard to beat. It's impressive that a "little" 5.0 can even compete. A quad cam, four valve, 7.0-ish sized engine would definitely quiet the competition.

However, the 7.3 concept revolves around the reduced complexity of a single cam and 2 valves per cylinder. Why make the customer pay for the added complexity of a"cammer" engine, and the "customer" here would be a corporation interested in buying a FLEET of vehicles, when the high rpm's where all the cams and valves really make a difference are just not going to be useful.

Furthermore, GM and Mopar have already proven that an old-school pushrod V8 developed with the technology of today can be a REALLY hard act to follow.

I recall talking about this very topic with a friend who used to be a dynamics engineer for Jeep. He said that Jeep and Dodge spent a significant amount of time investigating overhead cams and multiple valves per cylinder for their 4x4's. Their determination was that there was just something about the pushrod engines that made them produce better low end torque which, for the purposes of a relatively heavy 4x4 (Jeeps, trucks, Broncos, etc), made them a better choice.

I'm secretly hoping that Ford will put the 7.3 in the F150. Think back to the 60's and 70's when you could get a 390 in an F100. As discussed, a 5.0 is a poor truck engine...and the F150 is a truck that's expected to haul loads and tow things. The twin turbo V6 is rated to haul and tow more than the 5.0 (with the turbos making the V6 think it's a big V8). A 7.3 would fix this situation and make the F150 the hands-down towing and hauling leader in the 1/2 ton truck category. Sadly, I doubt it's going to happen. Instead, the latest in automatic transmissions, trending toward a much wider ratio spread and many ratios, could overcome the poor low end of the 5.0.
 

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Has anyone looked closely at the photos of the 7.3 to determine if the back of the block might bolt to a 4r70w (the modular engine version)?

According to the posts in that forum, it is the modular pattern. Lots of guys are excited about re-power possibilities in motor homes and older V-10 equipped trucks.
 

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According to the posts in that forum, it is the modular pattern. Lots of guys are excited about re-power possibilities in motor homes and older V-10 equipped trucks.

That is FANTASTIC news since I'm in the middle of swapping the NP435 out in favor of a 4R70W, albeit the Windsor pattern version of the trans. For me the good news is that the lengths I'm going to in order to stuff an NWF Black Box and NP205 behind the auto won't be wasted effort if I end up with a 7.3 some day.
 

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After reading about the possibility of a stand alone controller for retrofits, I daydreamed about a 7.3/ZF 6-speed to replace the 460/NP435 in my '79 F-150 4x4.
 

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if you read the articles all the info that has been released you will see that Ford is really intending this for the heavy truck lines. F250 and up. Don't think you will see one in a F150 from the factory. But I am looking forward to one in a Superduty. I have been driving our F250 service truck with the 6.2 gas motor in it and yeah its ok...but it really is a turd and sucks on gas, I averaged 13.4 MPG on my trip today think I did 140 miles about 100 of it was highway. It will be interesting to see the actual HP numbers and MPG once it gets in service. I am sure the aftermarket will get ahold of one and stuff it into a mustang, and maybe even a bronco!
 

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Ha! 13.4 MPG would be great mileage for my V-10, especially with a load. If this 7.3 can trump that much power over the V-10 (and 6.2) and get 15+ MPG, you and I will be very happy.
 
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