Saginaw Pump on Explorer Serpentine

[nvrstuk]

Yup, agreed. I'm going to call Monday and find out. Machining the "standoffs' is relatively easy compared to build a brkt that will mount the compressor and Sag pump... I'll report back what I find out. I need the compressor brkt.

 

[nvrstuk]

weldmn---

I like what you did with your bracket...looks like what several of us are looking for!

Any pics of your bracket as you went along? Which p/s pump did you use- Saginaw?

I would like to see more if you wouldn't mind sharing!?

 

[xcntrk]

WH sells a bracket to use the Sag pump with the Explorer serp system but you lose the A/C bracket.

I'm in the processes of installing the WH kit. I don't have AC (nor plan to anytime soon) so losing the AC pump isn't a big concern for me, plus sheds the bulky driverside Explorer serp bracket. I was surprised the WH kit is cut from common steel. For some reason I was expecting all aluminum brackets. Being made from steel, they need some kind of treatment before install to keep from rusting. So I got side tracked in powder coating them to match the rest of my engine components.

WH brackets as you receive them. Mild steel, maybe stainless(?)

After Powerder coating - Prismatic Powder Alien Silver

Close up of the silver metallic:

 

[KyleQ]

Yes, that's the one.

Why won't that work on a 351? The heads are no different between a 302 and a 351 - I'm confused. Does the wider motor push the pump into the fender or something?

 

[EricLar80]

Regarding the multi-steer bracket, I found this image. Looks like the compressor will run into the valve cover if you move it back at all. (the two tabs with holes are where the Sanden sits). Does anyone have a sanden they could measure from the pulley to the back?

Eric

 

[EricLar80]

Why won't that work on a 351? The heads are no different between a 302 and a 351 - I'm confused. Does the wider motor push the pump into the fender or something?

That person was asking which WH bracket we were talking about. It works on a 351 if you adjust one of the mounting holes since it ties in at the water pump.

NVRSTK was asking about the BC broncos multi-steer bracket.

Eric

 

[nvrstuk]

EricLar80... pulley to the back of the Sanden SD 709 measurement...

Sanden SD709 compr is appr. 7 1/4" from the rear edge of the serp belt to the rear most bolt head...there is some kind of fitting sticking out another 3/4" at the top/back.

My Sanden serp OBA unit comes within an 1/8" of hitting my header...no way would it fit btw the serp belt and the valve cover...

 

[EricLar80]

Looking at my system, and considering the size of the sagniaw and sanden, I think you would need to go with a remote reservoir system to make AC or compressor work and still fit with the stock fenders.

I think it would be best if you were to go with a reservoir like this from PSC and mount it super low (about 3 or 4" lower than mine is):
PSC saginaw reservoir

Of course this setup requires you have a reservoir that has two returns for hydroboost since the PSC can doesn't have any. You would also tilt this can/pump one way or the other to get around the compressor unit.

Then you would mount the sanden right above it. Sounds like an interesting project, but not one that I want to drop coin into right now.

Without the stock fenders there may be other options using a regular can and extending it up with a tube to the side.

Eric

 

[allenfahey]

Looking at my system, and considering the size of the sagniaw and sanden, I think you would need to go with a remote reservoir system to make AC or compressor work and still fit with the stock fenders.

I think it would be best if you were to go with a reservoir like this from PSC and mount it super low (about 3 or 4" lower than mine is):
PSC saginaw reservoir

Of course this setup requires you have a reservoir that has two returns for hydroboost since the PSC can doesn't have any. You would also tilt this can/pump one way or the other to get around the compressor unit.

Then you would mount the sanden right above it. Sounds like an interesting project, but not one that I want to drop coin into right now.

Without the stock fenders there may be other options using a regular can and extending it up with a tube to the side.

Eric

I used the "P" pump from AGR and the York A/C I originally had on my v belt setup. I tried using the modified Explorer pump and it still had a hard time turning 42's even with the ram assist. The resivour is a dual return AGR mounted in the core support.

 

[mortimersnerd]

Anyone know where to get dual return housings for the Saginaw pump?

 

[nvrstuk]

I just started a new thread for mounting BOTH a Saginaw pump AND and OBA compressor onto an Exploder serp system...this thread started as just a Sag pump on an Exploder serp 5.0.

Don't want to hi-jack this thread too much farther off course than it is...

here's the link to Explorer Serp with mounting bracket for Saginaw pump and A/C or OBA compressor

http://classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250181


Allen, I mounted my York very similar to yours but on the pass. side (v-belt system) above the alternator and was thinking of just moving it over just like your pic shows... maybe a little lower and closer to the fender. I dislike making brackets... but will a H/D Sanden/Delphi with a 1 5/8 ram have issues with turning 40"s??

 

[DirtDonk]

...For some reason I was expecting all aluminum brackets. Being made from steel, they need some kind of treatment before install to keep from rusting. So I got side tracked in powder coating them to match the rest of my engine components.
WH brackets as you receive them. Mild steel, maybe stainless(?)

Excellent color choice! That Alien Silver is pretty cool looking.
Sorry you felt you had to coat them though. I thought they were silver cad plated myself. Can't be 100% sure without confirming of course, but many of our brackets and bits have a silver protective coating on them. And yours look the same in the pics at least.
Lots of those items (351 adapters, P/S brackets, etc.) installed on engines without additional protection and still not showing signs of wear. Eventually will of course, so your powder will stave that off even longer.

As said, I could be wrong. But I'll check tomorrow anyway, just so we can be sure.
Don't think you wasted your money on the coating though, since it looks so nice.

Paul

 

[KyleQ]

Anyone know where to get dual return housings for the Saginaw pump?

PSC probably has them-

 

[xcntrk]

Excellent color choice! That Alien Silver is pretty cool looking.
Sorry you felt you had to coat them though. I thought they were silver cad plated myself. Can't be 100% sure without confirming of course, but many of our brackets and bits have a silver protective coating on them. And yours look the same in the pics at least.
Lots of those items (351 adapters, P/S brackets, etc.) installed on engines without additional protection and still not showing signs of wear. Eventually will of course, so your powder will stave that off even longer.

As said, I could be wrong. But I'll check tomorrow anyway, just so we can be sure.
Don't think you wasted your money on the coating though, since it looks so nice.

Paul

Thanks for the clarification Paul. That's got to be what's on the naked brackets as they were treated in some way, I just didn't know how, and the powder coating was free'ish (did it myself). I'm not sure where I got it in my head that they were billet aluminum. I must have gotten them confused when looking at some other brackets. Not a big deal, they're now coated to match and in the process of being installed

 

[nvrstuk]

BC's multi-pump bracket won't work... Talked with Jason.

I got some GPM and PSI numbers comparing Sag pumps to TC or P style pumps...my current TC puts out over twice the gpm and 400more psi. I'm scratching the Sag pump idea and will build brackets to mount my TC just above my p/s box and either one of my Yorks or Sanden 709's.

 

[casadejohnson]

I have had several requests recently to have more of the brackets cut so that the wild horses kit can be used on a 351w. I will look into having more made if there is enough interest. I'm too busy at work to get it done before Christmas but after the first of the year I'll talk with my water jet guy and get a price together.

 

[drock]

I will take one. I saw your "351w/5.8 idler pulley plate for WH Explorer 5.0 Saginaw Pump Bracket Set" For Sale thread from last year which might be worth opening back up to see how many others are interested. Thanks

 

[hankjr]

I'm still in for a bracket

Hank

 

[thirdtime]

Definitely interested if you run a batch.

 

[nvrstuk]

Just re-read this thread from start to finish... excellent product...

I ended up making.mounting my bracket on the drivers side with my York mounted above my PSC hi-volume pump. Everything works great, tight squeeze on the fender but if someone wanted full a/c capabilities or like me, can't get by without OBA then this is a great alternative. Similar to weldman but the top of my York isn't much higher than my valve cover and the PSC pump now (attention Kyle Q) works great. No cavitation issues at 6,000 rpm pulls anymore as the reservoir sits about 6" above the pump-issues solved.

Wish cascadejohnson would have been able to make this for an a/c setup too... would have saved about a month of fitting and testing... : )