What is the latest and greatest EFI

[73azbronco]

I just want something that will be around in 20 yrs... heck, I live in WA State and these idiots want us all to have electric everything so maybe gas engines won't be allowed in our State or they will pass ANOTHER carbon tax so not only will we pay the most in the nation for gas but maybe we can be paying TWICE what the national average is.

I can see us towing a horse trailer with the pickup and stopping every 100 miles to charge for an hour... Horses love STANDING in the trailer waiting... lol they'll kick the sides out of the trailer while waiting.

you have to think more soylent green, Omega man, man!

 

[bmc69]

Interesting. It seems the GM guys like to only use MAP as well, I'm not sure why they like to delete a perfectly good MAF but they often do.

I've had great results with the Holley systems that are all SD only. With wide-band O2 and 3-bar MAP, they tune just fine, including boosted engines.

 

[bmc69]

Emtron is planning on lauching a budget ecu, that calculates air volume, I might be a test person for them. Without kno

Well pro flow is at least port injected. The rest are a smart carb

That is entirely not true. The injectors are simply in a different location. I've built plenty of both and have found little to no difference in the end result performance.

 

[ssray]

Shocker that someone thinks his own product is the best. I did look at Pro-m, I spent the same amount elsewhere with all the extras I got for a reason. I can’t remember all the reasons, but I made those decisions and pretty sure I’ll be happy with that.

Lol Yes….I wasn‘t intending for it to be a commercial, just confirming what EFI guy had suspected. Watching tutorials and vids on tuning using HP Tuner has given a good idea of the complexity of these modern computers. Just wondering if it would be able to optimize all the different parameters the OEMs are using.

 

[ssray]

I can see us towing a horse trailer with the pickup and stopping every 100 miles to charge for an hour... Horses love STANDING in the trailer waiting... lol they'll kick the sides out of the trailer while waiting

We’ll probably be paying a carbon tax on livestock at that point as well. Or have to equip them with a crapalytic converter.

 

[ba123]

I've had great results with the Holley systems that are all SD only. With wide-band O2 and 3-bar MAP, they tune just fine, including boosted engines.

Yeah, I did have to get a wide and O2 sensor, and that’s a great point to bring up in how these systems work to more accurately measure your af ratio. It’s not just removing the maf and winging it.

 

[nvrstuk]

Thanks for the Holley system update bmc69. Good info to know.

As we have been traveling across the mtns regularly hitting Seattle for appts I am still shocked at the $5.69 /gal diesel prices over there... summer diesel is usually a buck a gal less. Can't wait to see it this winter!

Gas over there is $5.29 gal.

My decision for Shorty isn't that I can't tune a carb to get the same mpg as efi, it's the nitrous and boost options that the TermX offers with efi that I can make work with carbs but not as safely (engine life) or efficiently for DD use.

We made a Paxton blower not designed for my friends 383 fit and it works great. Almost light the tires up on the '56 2 door at idle it has so much torque but you need a small tank trlr behind you feeding your carb... every trip to town at $5/gal is $10!

 

[ba123]

As we have been traveling across the mtns regularly hitting Seattle for appts I am still shocked at the $5.69 /gal diesel prices over there... summer diesel is usually a buck a gal less. Can't wait to see it this winter!

Gas over there is $5.29 gal.

Yeah, not any better down here in CA! I think we're around $5.50/gal for regular and my stuff needs Premium. Not sure yet what I'm putting in the Bronco, but not gonna go with "cheap" gas. Don't need to drive a ton lately, and only a couple big trips a year need the truck. Really happy with the Tesla I just bought the wife...at least from a fill-up perspective.

In the past 8 months we've had it, we've put 13,700 miles on it and it shows we've spent $1334 on charging. If we compare that to a car that gets 25 miles per gallon and at $5.50/gallon, that would have cost $3,014 in gas assuming you're just using regular.

Not bad.

 

[nvrstuk]

ba123- if I was still commuting I'd go quality electric.

All those that perpetuate the myth of how terrible they are from "every aspect" don't own them!

We are rural. 100 miles rd trip to a Home Depot. 220 rd trip to a good doc over mtn pass that now is closed a couple times/week for accidents and of course snow makes accidents even more common.

With our 86 solar panels we power 3 homes and would be easy to add a few more for a car but searching for charging stations and having to wait in line while away from home or the anxiety of thinking "can we make it back over the Pass" with the charge we have left? So we're not ready yet but they are they way to go for sure for urban driving (if you can charge at home). Apt dwellers are out of luck for EZ charging. Definitely have some advantages.

 

[bmc69]

Yeah, not any better down here in CA! I think we're around $5.50/gal for regular and my stuff needs Premium.

I'm working a job in San Diego right now and was stunned at the gas prices (not that I'm paying the bill..client is). We're hanging around $3.60 for 87 here in MD.

 

[bmc69]

ba123- if I was still commuting I'd go quality electric.

All those that perpetuate the myth of how terrible they are from "every aspect" don't own them!

We are rural. 100 miles rd trip to a Home Depot. 220 rd trip to a good doc over mtn pass that now is closed a couple times/week for accidents and of course snow makes accidents even more common.

With our 86 solar panels we power 3 homes and would be easy to add a few more for a car but searching for charging stations and having to wait in line while away from home or the anxiety of thinking "can we make it back over the Pass" with the charge we have left? So we're not ready yet but they are they way to go for sure for urban driving (if you can charge at home). Apt dwellers are out of luck for EZ charging. Definitely have some advantages.

Neighbor of mine drives about 65-70 miles each way to work every day, with his EV. He had a high-amp charging station installed at his house here on the island, so his car recharges to 100% about as fast as it can be done.

 

[ba123]

ba123- if I was still commuting I'd go quality electric.

All those that perpetuate the myth of how terrible they are from "every aspect" don't own them!

We are rural. 100 miles rd trip to a Home Depot. 220 rd trip to a good doc over mtn pass that now is closed a couple times/week for accidents and of course snow makes accidents even more common.

With our 86 solar panels we power 3 homes and would be easy to add a few more for a car but searching for charging stations and having to wait in line while away from home or the anxiety of thinking "can we make it back over the Pass" with the charge we have left? So we're not ready yet but they are they way to go for sure for urban driving (if you can charge at home). Apt dwellers are out of luck for EZ charging. Definitely have some advantages.

Wow, yeah, that’s a bit tougher. We’ve gone plenty far…I’ve driven this thing all the way to Palm Springs and back and then San Diego and back, which are both 500+ miles but need to stop twice and there are a ton of chargers along the way if you need them.

If there were plenty of high speed chargers at your destination then no prob but if not then I’d wait. It’s pretty impressive when you find a super fast one. These superchargers have 3 levels and the slow one could take an hour and the fast ones 20 minutes. Gotta plan it correctly and know the hood ones and stops where you want to stop.

 

[EFI Guy]

every trip to town at $5/gal is $10!

Got access to cheap E85? You've got enough injector for it, if your fuel system can take it then you just have to tune for it.

 

[bmc69]

Wow, yeah, that’s a bit tougher. We’ve gone plenty far…I’ve driven this thing all the way to Palm Springs and back and then San Diego and back, which are both 500+ miles but need to stop twice and there are a ton of chargers along the way if you need them.

If there were plenty of high speed chargers at your destination then no prob but if not then I’d wait. It’s pretty impressive when you find a super fast one. These superchargers have 3 levels and the slow one could take an hour and the fast ones 20 minutes. Gotta plan it correctly and know the hood ones and stops where you want to stop.

I still wonder where the lectricity comes from....

 

[nvrstuk]

Got access to cheap E85? You've got enough injector for it, if your fuel system can take it then you just have to tune for it.

Wish we did... not one place in our Valley sells it.

 

[nvrstuk]

I still wonder where the lectricity comes from....

Cord.... (sorry)

THAT is going to be a problem. I have researched the crap out of regional distribution newworks. The largest one back East has just put a hold on every application. 5 yrs they are thinking before they figure "it" all out. In the meantime dozens of companies have land, financial backing everything but a way to get the hundreds of solar and windpower projects power to the grid.

We're in trouble.

BTW, I love my solar. Paid for itself in 3 + yrs.

Why isn't every new house and commercial bldg required or at least given a huge rebate or incentives if they are in production areas to install solar? Heck, every house has water meters and lines. Every house has sewer lines. Why not help them generate power?

 

[bronco italiano]

There are a few, but all require tuning. Megasquirt PimpX and Pro-M come to mind. The latter is the only system I know of that uses a mass air meter, but you have to deal with the owner of the company to get help, and I understand he can be surly.

I would stay as fare away from Pro-M as possible.

 

[bronco italiano]

I have to moates quarterhorse/binary editor/AAC analyzer for rent or sale. I have the dongle/laptop cable/J chip. You just need to burn your chip once you have tuned it.

 

[nvrstuk]

I would stay as fare away from Pro-M as possible.

Product wise or support/tuning/or otherwise?

I am sure I have dropped ProM from the list but another reason to do so always makes you feel like you made the right decision if you are having glitches let's say with the system you did end up choosing! lol

 

[nvrstuk]

That is kinda my fear. I look at the Ford Explorer swap, and they have a huge track history, hundreds of millions of miles logged, Ford spent billions researching and developing it...and it just works. I guessing Holley/edelbrock/Fitech don't have the R&D budget

That's why I originally went with the Mustang 89-93 with the Q-horse to tune it. Once it's tuned it works. Too many FiTech & Sniper stories and if you think Aces and the other "jump on the bandwagon, bolt on efi players" are going to be any different then I've got some oceanfront property for sale in Arizona! ")