4 link, ORI's, narrowed D60w/only 2.5" lift, 5"+WB stretch, 2" floor lower, P/S....,

[ssray]

6th's have cup holders!?!?
WTH is up with that?!
World's going to hell in a hand-basket, I tell you. Next you'll tell me that they have a built-in GPS too. mutter, mutter, mutter.........

I hear self-drive for the rocks is coming now that they have GPS….just sit back and enjoy!

 

[ntsqd]

Never pass up an opportunity to be a curmudgeon and yell 'get off my lawn!' But I'm also a hypocrit. One of my first mods to the FSB. The PO had deleted them, lost the part, and put a Lowrance GPS there where it was just a little too close to be useful. Turns out that the black ABS sewer pipe glue works really good on sheet ABS. Who knew?

(After being an early adopter I've come to DESPISE Lowrance's, so it got demoted to the garage. I should probably sell it, but I hate to inflict Lowrance on anyone.)

 

[Yeller]

Cup holders! everything needs cup holders. Even my old tractor has one for a boat on the fender.

I’m a curmudgeon too, if I can see you, you’re on my lawn and in range of Ol’ Betsy…. I hate yelling, and for some reason they get really polite

 

[ntsqd]

"If you can read this sign, You're in Range."

 

[ssray]

Going back a bit Brian, but I’ve found your 5.3 comments interesting and have been doing some study as I’ll admit I haven’t really kept up on engines like the LS in detail. Just caught an Engine masters show on Motor Trend where they dynoed a 5.3 gen 4 with the help of William Richard Holdener. Junk yard bottom end with only the ring gap opened up. Put trick flow heads, an intake and two turbos/intercoolers to get the power out of it. Got it up to 1543 hp at 30 psi boost at which point they quit as it just had a 3 bar MAF so the fuel and timing mapping couldn’t be computed at any higher boost. It sounded like they were prepared to scatter parts but wanted it to be a true test and not because fuel or timing went out the window.

Ran across another 5.3 vid with a cam, bigger intake and injectors that made 508 hp NA. With the Holley controller available for them it provides an interesting option. The self service yard here has a good number of vehicles listed with them though all but 1 or 2 are gen 3 as far as I can tell. No way to know whats left without checking. They have small blocks priced at 285$ w/o accessories. Not sure if that applies to any engine in the yard or not.

A down side I ran across on the gen 4s is the AFM that the trucks seem to be use. Sounds like it caused problems for the most part. Looks like it can be removed but I havent found if it causes any lingering damage to an engine. Have to change the valley cover with the solenoids as well as half the lifters. Still more to learn here.

 

[ntsqd]

The way that I see it is that the OE put a lot of time and money into development of the engine and it's controls. They do have different goals, but I think that there's a lot of code in their PCM's that affect the various driveability variables that you aren't going to get in an aftermarket PCM. Some of them simply won't exist and those that do will require that same development time to tune. For an engine that isn't being asked for even 600 HP I find it hard to justify an aftermarket PCM.

If you are asking for a lot of power then you've already decided to put in the development to get it working right. I'm not up on the latest and greatest, but were I building something that I wanted serious HP in then I'd be looking at Motec for the ECU/PCM. And when I just went looking at those I stumbled onto this: https://www.milspecwiring.com/6R80-SWAP-KIT-TRANSMISSION-ONLY_p_2927.html hum.....

 

[Speedrdr]

Holy smokes, ntsqd! That is a whole nother level of expensive for a controller for a 6R80 transmission. I’m not sure about $2,700 just to get THAT transmission hookup. But then again. I’m cheap. Lol

Randy

 

[nvrstuk]

Holy smokes, ntsqd! That is a whole nother level of expensive for a controller for a 6R80 transmission. I’m not sure about $2,700 just to get THAT transmission hookup. But then again. I’m cheap. Lol

Randy

Yeah, waaay outta my budget too.

However, the Gen 4 can be easily retrofitted to a FT 8cyl engine w/o much expense. Definitely an option.
I'm looking at 5.3 w/blower w/6spd and an OE ECU & try to save $1500 there.

Want a supercharger but turbo is a lot cheaper. Intercooler is a must for much safer boost levels.
I need 600rwhp. I won't lose 33% thru tires, extra gearboxes, like in my Bronco so I should only need about 715hp to make 600 at the tires. Will see.

Oh, thanks TS for finding waaaay cool stuff to tempt me but not this time!!!

 

[Yeller]

Driving a 22 Camaro SS for a rental car this week with a 10speed. It is always traction limited. 2/3 more HP is going to be ummm interesting lol.

The Camaro is fun but needs a manual to really bring the smile meter up. But it does handle well and is reasonably quick. Traction is still the limiting factor. As fun as it is, I’d much rather be cruising the desert at speed in a nice prerunner lol

 

[ntsqd]

So I guess the Motec engine + trans PCM is not in the running for consideration? Only $4300......

6R80 SWAP KIT (ENGINE + TRANSMISSION)-RG.KT.PV0207.01- RETAI

 

[nvrstuk]

What trans (8spd?).
Can you shift the auto manually like the 4r, 6r & 10r? That makes it more fun but not equal to a manual for sure.

I would get tired of shifting an 8 spd manual. Be like rowing a boat‐ constantly shifting and NEVER being in the right gear.

 

[nvrstuk]

TS- I would love to keep my 6r80 in Shorty but a $4200 controller to do that is a bit out of this poor unsponsored Bronco owners budget!

 

[nvrstuk]

Driving a 22 Camaro SS for a rental car this week with a 10speed. It is always traction limited. 2/3 more HP is going to be ummm interesting lol.

The Camaro is fun but needs a manual to really bring the smile meter up. But it does handle well and is reasonably quick. Traction is still the limiting factor. As fun as it is, I’d much rather be cruising the desert at speed in a nice prerunner lol

What's the engine in it?

Am I nuts shooting for 600rwhp and never getting it to the ground - unless I'm cruising over 70mph when I shift down?

Be soooo easy & cheap to get 450rwhp in Shorty.

 

[Yeller]

Yes your nuts, it will never get to the ground, but it’s what we expect from you haha. I genuinely believe at 600rwhp will be like driving on eggshells with no traction control. And if it’s wet or cold asphalt it might as well be icy.

Here’s a brush of engine specs

2022 Chevrolet Camaro - Specs & Features ; 455 hp @ 6,000 rpm · 455 lb-ft @ 4,400 rpm ·

And shorty will be lighter and have less tire. Those power numbers are easy to get with a JY 5.3 or an off the shelf stock LS3. The trick to getting there with a 5.3 is all in the correct cam selection and compression ratio, the valve size actually becomes the limiting factor NA and why the RPM starts to climb to get there,

This package is a cam shaft from 550hp. I didn’t dig into it but is probably available as well. This package would be enough to be squirrelly when you want it and very easy, comfortable driver, when you want that with no special parts. Stone stock reliability. It’s a lot of money when you first look at it but everything is there, it all works together, and is reliable

 

[nvrstuk]

Yeah, I want to be able to actually drive it without going in circles!!!

Maybe I need the 600rwhp in my '68 with my hp robbing 40"s!!

Guess I just find the right oil pan, rig up some mtrmounts and get back to work on it soon since I'll have plenty of time to debate the internals. 6.0 w/o the blower would easily get me 500rwhp from what I've been reading. Talked with a local guy last night who is huge into LS resto-mods and a '62 Impala he just finished has 475 rwhp and an 8 spd and it got 18 mpg cruising 500miles this weekend to a hit rodders funeral.

 

[ntsqd]

.... I would get tired of shifting an 8 spd manual. Be like rowing a boat‐ constantly shifting and NEVER being in the right gear.

So a two-stroke "Jimmie" diesel is not for you! Say like this one: https://www.woodlineparts.com/produ...arine-engine-keel-cooled-good-runner-outright Roughly 800-900 HP at ~2000 rpm. wheee! But with a powerband about 500 rpm wide. So lots and lots of gears.

That E-Rod package is sure tempting. My budget is only holding me back. I can see where you can easily spend more trying to get to it's level, and that's just the jumping-off point with it.

 

[ssray]

Yeah, I want to be able to actually drive it without going in circles!!!

Reminds me of the time I thought it would be fun to powerslide my 87 Regal 3.8 turbo around a corner. Went around nice but when the wheels did grab that car straightened out really quick. I”m 6’3” and my head found the door frame above the window hard enough to see stars!

Here“s a nice reference from Summit on LS engines. Has VIN codes by car or truck for gen 3 and 4 and you can go through and just look at the specs for the different versions.

I know my VIN. Which LS engine do I have?

help.summitracing.com

There“s a GMC Yukon in the self serve yard that has/had a 6.2 which is listed at 400+ HP. 2007 L92 Interesting to go through the specs. You can find lower compression that would work with boost and higher compression if you weren’t.

Probably a dozen 5.3‘s listed,all trucks, only 2 gen 4’s….2 6.0’s and the one 6.2 in the local yard.

 

[nvrstuk]

Local is where?

Only one LS in the largest boneyard in E Wash when I called again yesterday!

Great reference info. Speedway has one also. Fast & steep learning curve on these things!

 

[nvrstuk]

I

So a two-stroke "Jimmie" diesel is not for you! Say like this one: https://www.woodlineparts.com/produ...arine-engine-keel-cooled-good-runner-outright Roughly 800-900 HP at ~2000 rpm. wheee! But with a powerband about 500 rpm wide. So lots and lots of gears.

That E-Rod package is sure tempting. My budget is only holding me back. I can see where you can easily spend more trying to get to it's level, and that's just the jumping-off point with it.

I drove a Peterbuilt with a 13spd Detroit... so I know what you're saying!

 

[ssray]

Local is where?

Only one LS in the largest boneyard in E Wash when I called again yesterday!

Great reference info. Speedway has one also. Fast & steep learning curve on these things!

Anderson wrecking self service…Kearney NE. They have an inter change and a vehicle inventory online but I’m not sure if they keep track of parts from a vehicle or if you have to go hunting. They have a standand parts side of the business as well. I need to call or stop and look around. I just dropped in to ask how it worked once and didn’t really ask enough questions.

I sure never realized how many engine versions there are out there. Even noticed a traverse mount LS in some cars. That was new to me. Turbos have been kind of a black art but watching some of Richard’s and the Engine Master‘s vids has been interesting!