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Newbie -> Just Got My -NEW TO ME- Bronco Need help, advice, parts

DirtDonk

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Sounds about right. Some car transmissions held less than some truck trannies I think though, but your method shouldn't care about the overall capacity as long as you're monitoring the dipstick.

Just found my Chilton's (ok, I just turned around and opened the drawer, which is a lot of work sometimes!) and it says 22 pints EXCEPT for 1975. :p
And just what year does yours happen to be again?;D

The '75 lists 17.5 pints.
So there's your (almost) 9qts it seems.
Maybe that's what year they thought was the only one to get that smaller torque converter? I always thought it was just the bolt pattern though. Not the whole unit. Another Bronco mystery...

All quantities are including the torque converter, so your dry rating is correct.
Let us know how it goes.

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I moved onto the Brakes.
Other than having to replace all rear drum components (shoes, wheel cylinders, spring kit, resurfaced drums), I also ordered a brake pedal boot from TBP and hope it is this ripped boot in the attached picture?

https://goo.gl/photos/X2ZD6Aso9bQaX8Xa8

Look at the wheel cylinder rods , aren't they installed incorrectly , turned sideways?..?..??

https://goo.gl/photos/8zDDjcnDtv5M2cWK6

I also took a picture of my brake pedal push rod that I was talking about has a screw in it, seems to be too high. As we spoke looks like it's non adjustable. I'm sure the new rod I also ordered, will work out much better. TBP mentioned I should measure 4 -1/2" from the floor to the back of the brake pedal. That's the flat part of the pedal, not the vertical part of the pedal (arm) - right?
I'm replacing the front disk pads and flushing/replacing the brake fluid.
I noticed while going through the brake system there is NO dash warning brake light for the e-brake or the idiot light. I noticed at the brake valve there are two wires cut left hanging. I'm not sure (haven't looked ) what's coming off the e-brake.
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Question is HOW and WHAT do I need to hook back up/add an idiot brake light??? I'm thinking just a simple round red light, at minimum I can make a p-touch label saying "BRAKES", along with the rest of the dash controls I have to label.
Unless you know of some sort of dash label plaques to stick or screw onto the dash...? My push/pull heater controls and light switch are mount facing down on the lower edge/lip of the bottom of the dash....

Dash:
https://goo.gl/photos/ct1qjKp7ifp4ASnEA

Thanx,
-TC
 

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Broncos never had a warning light for the parking brake, so you'll have to mount your own switch and light for that. It's been done a few times here, but I don't think it's been discussed in depth for a bit so you might have to dig deeper. Maybe someone will pop in with a link to one of the better discussions.

The Brake Warning Lamp on the dash was simply to let you know when there was a leak, or some other cause of an imbalance between the front and rear brakes.
Your dash is totally custom and looks pretty cool, but they obviously left off a feature or two.

The labels I'm not sure about. It would be pretty cool if the original style dash light bars (http://www.wildhorses4x4.com/product/74-77-Bronco-LED-Dash-Control-Lights/Bronco_Dash_Parts) would line up. All you'd have to do would be cut the holes just above the controls and slip 'em in. Well ok, so that's not exactly an easy job I would not think. But the result would be pretty Bronco-cool.

Can you get a better shot of the controls? Do they have any labels of their own? Do you know what each one does yet? Are three of them the original heater controls? If so, what's the fourth knob for?

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https://goo.gl/photos/ApS4mwTkVsjJamut7

https://goo.gl/photos/xs8WJ6cXZmKVuiyF9

The controls are all original - no lebels. I have labeled with tape., once I figured out what they were. From drivers side - lights, defrost pull, blank goes to nothing knob, temp pull, blower/heat pull...
I thought about those light bars but they wont line up with the controls.
As for adding the brake light, (if at all).I'm more concerned for knowing when the e-brake is on, not for the idiot light.
As for the wheel cylinder push rods , aren't they installed incorrectly.? Shouldn't the brake shoe be in that notched portion?
 

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There is a ford brake warning switch which is made to fit the emergency brake bracket. The holes are there for it. I think it is a F150 switch. I posted a picture once... just cant find it right now.

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https://goo.gl/photos/ApS4mwTkVsjJamut7

https://goo.gl/photos/xs8WJ6cXZmKVuiyF9

The controls are all original - no lebels. I have labeled with tape., once I figured out what they were. From drivers side - lights, defrost pull, blank goes to nothing knob, temp pull, blower/heat pull...
I thought about those light bars but they wont line up with the controls.
As for adding the brake light, (if at all).I'm more concerned for knowing when the e-brake is on, not for the idiot light.
As for the wheel cylinder push rods , aren't they installed incorrectly.? Shouldn't the brake shoe be in that notched portion?

kind of hard to see but yes the notched rod from the wheel cylinder should fit into the brake shoes, I think the way it is now, you would never get the drum on;)
 

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The controls are all original - no lebels.

That's consistent with them being for a '73 or later EB which would have had the light bars from the factory, so most of the chrome bezels were unmarked. I think the "pull for heat" knob still had the words, but don't remember.

From drivers side - lights, defrost pull, blank goes to nothing knob, temp pull, blower/heat pull...

Not that the light bars are a must, but you might just be able to swap the switches around to get them to line up with the bars. Not sure but it's a possibility maybe?

As for adding the brake light, (if at all).I'm more concerned for knowing when the e-brake is on, not for the idiot light.

Definitely. Check around for the info Slowleak was talking about. Several people have done that. I want to do it too (like for 40 years now!) but just have never had it high up the list. It should be though!

As for the wheel cylinder push rods , aren't they installed incorrectly.? Shouldn't the brake shoe be in that notched portion?

Oops, sorry yes. I forgot to touch on that before. You are correct that the notches in the rods need to encompass the metal of the shoe. Always.
I couldn't really see the pics that well, but your description was pretty clear. They should always be lined up that way or they probably flat out do not work properly. If they work at all, it's by pure luck.

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Part number on that brake switch is Duralast SW3883. Got mine at Autozone for a few bucks.

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Thanks all,
First, yes the rear brakes prob. weren't doing anything at all ! Which is most likely why the brakes felt the way the did, when I mentioned in the beginning of this looong thread. They were waay out of adjustment (so far from drum), the adjuster wasn't even attached (loose hanging bouncing around), shoes chipped & cracked, and wheel cylinders seeping, besides the wheel cylinder push rods not being installed right.

Second, as for the brake light or should I say "Parking brake" light. Looking around I think I can make it work with a simple pin switch & a small LED light that matches the Ck Eng light and label either "Parking Bake" or just "Brake"...
http://www.painlessperformance.com/webcat/80207
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http://www.painlessperformance.com/webcat/80209

Third, The dash controls labeling - just yesterday I was talking with a friend who is a coach who had a great idea. He has a friend that makes trophies and will make up small plaques that describe the controls for me. I was thinking of matching the gauge cluster using the Ford script font, and use oval shaped (like the Ford logo) silver plaques.

Fourth , This is where I can really use HELP.
The ripped boot on the brake booster doesn't seem to be the one I ordered (see pics). The guy's at WH, said they don't sell it, but might of had one to take off an older booster - but then replied they didn't.
The question is where can I get one & what's involved with changing it out...?
Also for some reason I noticed the gold vacuum booster is getting like corrosion or something on it. From earlier pictures it WAS a nice clean gold color, now - well look
--->https://goo.gl/photos/X2ZD6Aso9bQaX8Xa8
I did clean up everything & used/sprayed Simple Green, but I never had or seen this reaction, IF it was from that... Wonder how to get that back in good Nick (tribute to Ed China - lol), or I'll have to end up painting it.
 
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Part number on that brake switch is Duralast SW3883. Got mine at Autozone for a few bucks.

Sent from my SCH-I435 using Tapatalk

Slowleak thanks, does that bolt right up, instead of me trying to make/ fabricate a regular basic pin switch to the parking brake mechanism ?

-TC
 

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Thanks all,
First, yes the rear brakes prob. weren't doing anything at all ! Which is most likely why the brakes felt the way the did, when I mentioned in the beginning of this looong thread. They were waay out of adjustment (so far from drum), the adjuster wasn't even attached (loose hanging bouncing around), shoes chipped & cracked, and wheel cylinders seeping, besides the wheel cylinder push rods not being installed right.

Second, as for the brake light or should I say "Parking brake" light. Looking around I think I can make it work with a simple pin switch & a small LED light that matches the Ck Eng light and label either "Parking Bake" or just "Brake"...
http://www.painlessperformance.com/webcat/80207
,
http://www.painlessperformance.com/webcat/80209

Third, The dash controls labeling - just yesterday I was talking with a friend who is a coach who had a great idea. He has a friend that makes trophies and will make up small plaques that describe the controls for me. I was thinking of matching the gauge cluster using the Ford script font, and use oval shaped (like the Ford logo) silver plaques.

Fourth , This is where I can really use HELP.
The ripped boot on the brake booster doesn't seem to be the one I ordered (see pics). The guy's at WH, said they don't sell it, but might of had one to take off an older booster - but then replied they didn't.
The question is where can I get one & what's involved with changing it out...?
Also for some reason I noticed the gold vacuum booster is getting like corrosion or something on it. From earlier pictures it WAS a nice clean gold color, now - well look
--->https://goo.gl/photos/X2ZD6Aso9bQaX8Xa8
I did clean up everything & used/sprayed Simple Green, but I never had or seen this reaction, IF it was from that... Wonder how to get that back in good Nick (tribute to Ed China - lol), or I'll have to end up painting it.
most boosters don't have that boot anymore and don't even run one. I never had one on mine and others either
 
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mytmouse75

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most boosters don't have that boot anymore and don't even run one. I never had one on mine and others either


Well, that's refreshing to know , one less thing to worry about. I was just afraid of getting dirt/dust where it don't belong & kill the booster prematurely.

Originally Posted by Slowleak
Yes. Snaps in place. One screw holds it and the hole is already drilled. Took 30 seconds.

I finally got my laptop working and found this picture. It's a SW3898

http://classicbroncos.com/forums/att...3&d=1455916051

The parking brake in this Bronco is not like that. I have door pin switches already so I just fabricated my own bracket to make it work in this Bronco. Right now I painted it , I'll take a picture once it's dry...
 

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No good way to do it from the factory. You have to remove the entire carrier housing. Many people drill a hole on the back/bottom of the housing and put a plug in it to solve this problem. I put one in mine that last time I had it apart to install the locker.
 
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Uhg - What the Hell was Dana thinking? How did they think anyone is supposed to service these rears?
I tried the "PUMP" method, but I can't seem to even get the small hose in there - seems to be hitting the gears... Do I have to move/rotate the gears by turning the tires/drive shaft?
If not, what's involved with removing the carrier housing/drop in ?
Is it just a matter of removing the driveshaft from the yoke - removing the carrier from the housing ? Then once cleaned out ( and IF I decide to drill and tap a drain plug) just reseal with RTV ?

What size plug do I look to get / Where do I get a drain plug ?
Anyone got a link / picture/ description ?
 

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Uhg - What the Hell was Dana thinking? How did they think anyone is supposed to service these rears?

It's not Dana in the rear. It's a Ford corporate 9" setup. And I think there was a method to their madness. It's to encourage anyone that's reached the point where the gear oil needs changing to also inspect the rear wheel bearings and brakes.
And frankly this goes quadruple for anyone purchasing a used rig of unknown condition. Rear wheel bearings are a wear item that need replacing every 100,000 miles or 40 years. Whichever comes first...;D
And it never hurts to know how the brakes look either.

If these things have never been apart before, it's likely that the axles will fight you mightily to take them out. Once it's been done however, the whole process takes about 20 minutes with hand tools. Almost takes longer to get the truck up on jackstands than it does to pull the axles.
Unfortunately it can take all day the first time, so you're still expected to curse the very existence of the Ford engineers that designed this torture device! However, they weren't thinking 40 to 50 years down the road. Only 5 years or 50k miles.
And it's just rust and old oil that's holding these things on anyway. Once you get the four bolts off of the retainers, they might just pop right out with hand pressure. To that end, it wouldn't hurt to treat the bearings like rusty bolts. Get things half apart and spray the crap out of them with your favorite penetrating oil. Then go at them with tooth and nail. Or a slide-hammer...

I tried the "PUMP" method, but I can't seem to even get the small hose in there - seems to be hitting the gears... Do I have to move/rotate the gears by turning the tires/drive shaft?

Nope. Only the smallest of hoses will fit. Never successfully tried it myself. Same result as you the first time. Others have said they've achieved success, but I've never seen pics.;D

If not, what's involved with removing the carrier housing/drop in ?
Is it just a matter of removing the driveshaft from the yoke - removing the carrier from the housing ? Then once cleaned out ( and IF I decide to drill and tap a drain plug) just reseal with RTV ?

Some have removed the yoke and the pinion cover behind it, then suctioned out the lube that way. Never done that myself, and don't intend to since the other options are "better" to my way of thinking.
And yes, you can do it without removing anything. Just undo all the nuts holding the carrier assembly to the housing (except maybe a couple at the top) and pry it open from the bottom. You'll only get about 1/4" or so because the axle shafts are going to hold it in place. But it's enough to drain if you give it a bit of time.

But the best way, as I mentioned initially, is to pull the brake drums, pull the two axle shafts, then remove the entire carrier to inspect everything, clean the housing and even add the drain plug if you want.
My aftermarket housings have plugs, but since I know the history of the differential's use and know when to inspect the bearings and how important it is to one's health and well being, know that I'll do it.
But nothing wrong with giving the whole thing a once over.

What size plug do I look to get / Where do I get a drain plug ?
Anyone got a link / picture/ description ?

There are many discussions about various plug installs here on the forums. Sorry I haven't saved any, but a search should net you some results. Hopefully others will have some direct links for you.

Paul
 
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Paul, THANK YOU - AGAIN !

I just did the rear brakes (as mentioned earlier). As you said, like the rest of this truck with my findings - I wouldn't mind doing it "Your Preferred" way and looking at those bearings as well. Now's the time while I have it all apart. Just more to add to the list right?
IF, If it's just a matter of :
- Unbolting the axles from the brake drum backing plate/axle area
- Then giving a good pull, to pull out the axles (I did notice a good amount of orange rtv when I was doing the brakes on the axle shafts).
- Pulll out the bearings
- Then drop the drive shaft.
- Then unbloting the carrier from the housing.
????

»»»- Then after cleaning up everything just reverse the process???
- Replace carrier with New rtv(or is there a gasket available)?
- Replace the drive shaft.
- Repack the bearings (or should I plan ahead and get new bearings?), and what bearing grease seals I reckon?
- Then just slide the axle shafts back in (do I have to line up, hear a click or pop into place?), and seal with rtv.
- Rebolt the axles
- Then fill the diff back with nice NEW 75w/90 synthetic oil

??????

What rear is this when I search for parts (seals, bearing, etc)?
And/Or does anyone already have part numbers for me and/or a link on how to?

Thanks
-TC
 

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Paul, THANK YOU - AGAIN !

I just did the rear brakes (as mentioned earlier). As you said, like the rest of this truck with my findings - I wouldn't mind doing it "Your Preferred" way and looking at those bearings as well. Now's the time while I have it all apart. Just more to add to the list right?
IF, If it's just a matter of :
- Unbolting the axles from the brake drum backing plate/axle area yes
- Then giving a good pull, to pull out the axles (I did notice a good amount of orange rtv when I was doing the brakes on the axle shafts). yes, but sometime they stick so maybe a little tough
- Pulll out the bearings no the bearing will come off with the axle shaft as they are pressed on
- Then drop the drive shaft. yes
- Then unbloting the carrier from the housing. yes and there maybe copper washers under the nuts, so will need to remove as well, then just put the whole third member out
????

»»»- Then after cleaning up everything just reverse the process???
- Replace carrier with New rtv(or is there a gasket available)? it is actually called a third member. they do sell gaskets but some just use a gasket sealant on them, be sure to clean the surfaces
- Replace the drive shaft. yes
- Repack the bearings (or should I plan ahead and get new bearings?), and what bearing grease seals I reckon?no the bearings are roller bearings and can't grease them. they get their lubrication from the center section oil. check the bearings to see if they are loose/don't roll smooth. if not get new bearings (press of old and press on new) along with a new seal, clean bearing mating surface on the housing before installation
- Then just slide the axle shafts back in (do I have to line up, hear a click or pop into place?), and seal with rtv. just slide in until flush with the housing and tighten, just a little bit of gasket sealer on the seal if you want, they really don't require it
- Rebolt the axlesyes
- Then fill the diff back with nice NEW 75w/90 synthetic oil yes

??????

What rear is this when I search for parts (seals, bearing, etc)?
And/Or does anyone already have part numbers for me and/or a link on how to? search for ford 9" rear end

Thanks
-TC
you just about had it right, really not that hard after you do one. let us know if you have any more questions
 
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