What killed the Cleveland?

[357Bronco]

The Cleveland was not 'cast off' to Australia. quite the opposite in fact. Australian Ford tooled to build the most advnaced design then in the FoMoco inventory. They continued to build it long after we did.

Nothing about the C was inherently inefficient or 'dirty..quite the opposite in fact..IF it was producing the power it was designed to. That objective was what was compromised by both smog and CAFE regs and de-tuning the C's resulted in pigs. The obsolescent Windsor family with its small ports and runners was much easier to deal with in a low-power, low-compression smog configuration.

BTW..289/302s existed before 351Ws, remember. Ford took the identical approach with both engine families, in fact. Both had a short deck block and a tall deck block to cover a wider range of displacement options.

I always chuckle when I see folks so often opine that the 'W' is better supported by the performance aftermarket and therefore better to build. It arguably may be now..but back in the early 70s, if you had suggested that anyone make performance heads for Windsor engines, they would have laffed you out of the room. Why on earth would anyone do that?..just buy a 'C' or at least put 'C' heads on yr 302/351W. There was a time when the 'C' and the Clevors ruled..and aftermarket support for various Clevor configurations was common. I still have an old Fed Mogul perf catalog and there is an entire section of Clevor stuff.

Once again I must get involved and correct you, you miss spelled " laughed";D It's not laffed, %)

 

[bmc69]

Once again I must get involved and correct you, you miss spelled " laughed";D It's not laffed, %)

Why of course..you are zachary rite.;D

 

[357Bronco]

This thread isn't close enough to May, still counts for April, see you in two weeks%)

 

[bmc69]

This thread isn't close enough to May, still counts for April, see you in two weeks%)

Hey..I'm only a responder. I thought the one post/month rule only applied to the head cheerleader, Mister Baxter.

 

[crab]

I'm still trying to decide if I should sell or keep this old Cleveland for my '73 project. It was from my old shop class donated by Ford. It's only got run stand hours on it (which it's still bolted to) and is in pristine condition. (2v heads)

 

[eb66to77]

It still is...........!.................




It's not dead......

We can all agree that a Cleveland is the best way to eliminate jason mraz and the latest contribution to the I-am-a-sissy club. Kind of like a pink-noise jammer.

 

[feitctaj]

Hey..I'm only a responder. I thought the one post/month rule only applied to the head cheerleader, Mister Baxter.

God I hope to never see Monsieur Baxter in pompoms any time soon,,,
its kinda like reading a post from the cactus cleveland Know it all,
God is it over yet and does he know what he't doing?

 

[feitctaj]

And actually the Cleveland is not dead, you can buy all the parts for them and just the same as before. The blocks are available new in Aluminum and iron and there are many heads available. The only prob is Injection needs to be adapted. but The way things are going I would expect to see a good FI soon.
there are open chamber and closed chamber Aussie heads coming here by the pallet full in all locations. from what I read they are better heads than the aftermarkets wheesy heads for one fifth the price

 

[744x4]

I just read in one of the Offroad mags that the Modular motors are going Bye Bye also and being replaced by a "New" 5.0 and 6.2 L versions.

 

[bmc69]

We can all agree that a Cleveland is the best way to eliminate jason mraz and the latest contribution to the I-am-a-sissy club. Kind of like a pink-noise jammer.

huh? sprechen zee English man? or stop with the 12-beer posts..LOL

 

[Madgyver]

http://www.chiheads.com/cylinder_heads_ford.php

http://www.chiheads.com/kaase_c400.php

 

[eb66to77]

jason mraz was what was playing on the radio when Mad started that engine. It makes me happy that you don't know that.

 

[bmc69]

jason mraz was what was playing on the radio when Mad started that engine. It makes me happy that you don't know that.

I thought you were just rambling and couldn't spell either..
;D

 

[bmc69]

http://www.chiheads.com/cylinder_heads_ford.php

http://www.chiheads.com/kaase_c400.php

[/IMG]

mmmmm good. Takes a purty big hole to accomodate a 2.19" intake valve don't it?;D

 

[justinoshea]

This thread isn't close enough to May, still counts for April, see you in two weeks%)

I had a feeling that this thread would digress...

I just read in one of the Offroad mags that the Modular motors are going Bye Bye also and being replaced by a "New" 5.0 and 6.2 L versions.

we should find out here in the next year or so what will happen. The 'boss' series (was hurricane) will fill a gap in the current ford engine lineup (especially for super duties & the 6.4 diesel). somewhat of the end of 'big blocks' as new generation 300-400ci motors will make as much power and torque with similar fuel economy.

I think the R code cleveland is a lot like the 96-98 cobra 4.6. great at 7000 rpm but not for everybody

 

[Madgyver]

I have an R-Code engine in a matching Fastback.....

http://classicbroncos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57685

 

[DirtDonk]

I'm still trying to decide if I should sell or keep this old Cleveland for my '73 project. It was from my old shop class donated by Ford. It's only got run stand hours on it (which it's still bolted to) and is in pristine condition. (2v heads)

That's a tough one. On the one hand, you've got yourself a cool motor that doesn't really need any work unless you want to modify something to make it better. On the other hand, if you find just the right person restoring an old classic and they find out you've got an original Ford engine with just a few hours on it, they might make you an offer you can't refuse.

Paul

 

[crab]

I know. I'll never find a better start if I decide to go Cleveland. An "offer I can't refuse" would have to pay for the other option.......408

 

[DirtDonk]

With the state-of-the-market these days, that's not out of the question. Even in these down times there are people with money just looking for something unique in the automotive restoration game.
You might try putting out some feelers first. Just to see what's going on out there and who bits the bait.

Paul

 

[ugly74]

I'm quite sure that EPA regs were it's demise in this country. it don't matter much to me...I have one, and can't wait to bolt that baby in! I'll be doing my part to prevent global cooling, and I'll have an ear to ear grin the whole time!